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Good Vibes, Bad Vibes + ADP Price Check

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We said last year, O.J. Howard was in our bust list last season because, look, rookie tight-in so rarely break out. But that doesn't mean that they don't break out. It just means they don't break out that year. And in this preseason, David and Joku and O.J. Howard have said, we're here. They're running routes. They're catching balls. In Joku's gotten a lot more play because he's getting.

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touchdowns right now in the preseason. But when I watched this last game with the Buccaneers, there were three times I was like, oh man, who was that? Oh, that was O.J. Howard. Oh, man. Wow. Who was that? Oh, that was O.J. Howard. Oh, that was O.J. Howard. He's a beast. Oh, that was O.J. Howard. He's a little bit more often, which isn't great for fantasy. But I saw them.

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I mean, we've talked about this for years. It's difficult when you have two pass catchers. One of the things that we have garnered the most successfully from pre-season's past is the tight-end usage. How are tight-ins being used? Are they actually running routes when you hope they are? And that's what I was noticing with both of those guys. You've got Injoku, who last season was on the field.

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less than half the time. And in preseason with the starters, it's pretty much every single snap now. And O.J. Howard actually getting down the field. So those two guys have moved up my boards this preseason. Yeah, I'm all about David and Joku. I think it can be a top 12 tight end. I am less enthusiastic about Howard myself. I'd love to get Mike's take on it, only because Brate, even this preseason, has more receptions than Howard does.

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But Howard is, he's the more explosive athlete. Big play. And even if you increase, like, if you increase his workload, if you take that next step for a rookie titan with his ability, if you don't do it, if you don't run him out there and involve him in the passing games, you're stupid. That's a stupid decision from an offensive coordinator perspective. I can agree. He can do things. Now, Bray can do things well, but he can do things Bray can't do. Right.

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There was one of those plays when I was like, oh, who's that? It's, I caught the ball now. Ha, ha, try to tackle me. He's just running. His guys are like, you know, it's like a man among boys out there. He's a beast. And I will say this. If you could, Howard or Injoku, Mike, who do you have a better feel for? Man, if I'm choosing between the two, that's really, really tough. I suppose I lean in Joku.

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Currently, the problem, of course, in Cleveland is once Josh Gordon is back, you have a lot of fantastic options to catch passes. But if Tyrod holds on to the starting job, we've seen him lean on the tight end. We've also seen James Winston lean on the tight end. Last year in OJ. Howard's final five games, he had three touchdowns, three games over 50 yards. He just, he makes big,

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plays. Yes, yes, he does. I would still definitely take in Joku over Howard for a lot of the reasons laid out, but also in addition, the fact that the first three games you don't have James Winston and Ryan Fitzpatrick, he really has just never been a tight end targeter. And he has other weapons to use. You want your tight end to get off to a hot start as well. I'm going to throw up my good vibe wide receiver, Chris Hogan.

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for the New England Patriots. And why are vibes so good for Chris Hogan? Because he's apparently gone full Hollywood Hogan and he's getting people kicked out of town. He says, you're not good enough for this team. You're not good enough for this team. Please retire. Oh, he's not asking, please. He is demanding. Chris Hogan is taking over the situation. Hey, Eric. In New England. You're going to walk in there. You're going to say I'm done. Next day. Eric.

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Eric. Eric Decker's gone. What do you do to Jordan Matthews? Who knows? Who knows what Chris Hogan is up to over there? He is, just recall what Chris Hogan was early on last season, which was a top 10 wide receiver. Julian Edelman is suspended for four games. We love players getting off to a hot start. Eric Decker's gone. Jordan Matthews has gone. As of right now.

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Philip Dorset, the ghost of Philip Dorset, is the number two wide receiver for this team. It's the only wide receiver Chris Hogan accepts. Chris Hogan said, hey, you're my bud. You're across the field from me. You're cool. But it's been a good, it's been a good offseason for both of those guys because of what you're saying. Yeah, and I'm still. Whatever we used to call Fred Jackson? The depth chart assassin. Hogan's taking a page out of that. Chris Hogan is kind of, the thing about Hogan, though, is he's not had to work up. He was already at the top.

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He is just establishing dominance. Yeah, why is he so insecure? No, no, he's good, man. Don't worry about Chris Hogan. He was first in the middle. He was first in the middle seat on the airplane. And he put those. Oh, he grabbed both armrests. He grabbed both armrest, established dominance and said, this is mine. He went, this is how B.A. Chris Hogan is. He sits down in the middle seat. He grabs both elbow rests.

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People don't even bother to sit down on the aisle or the window. This is my road. They want no part of Chris Hogan. Didn't you have somebody give you grief on the airplane recently? Oh my goodness. I had just a wicked only. So we had this time when we both, we get on an airplane and Jason and I have the window seat in.

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the same on the plane and i asked jason to switch yeah same aisle same aisle we're the only two people in the aisle right then and i was like hey do you mind if i sit on that side i don't know why yeah you just wanted the window on your right i just wanted the window on that side like i don't care and jason's like sure but then it starts getting into his head well what if like he gets dealt the wrong hand oh and i did i was sitting there i'm sitting there mind of my own business

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Up against the window. Here comes Chris Hogan. Just sitting there just barely. And this woman who's in the middle who comes and she's reading her newspaper and she's all razzled and frazzled and she's huffing and puffing and she looks and she goes, you know, I'm going to have to say it. You need to be on your side of the chair. And I was blown. I was like jawed down like what are you? I looked down at my arm and I went.

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I am. I mean, I guess my elbow was like a centimeter over her spot. Were you at the front of the armrest or the back? I was near the back of the armrest. Okay. Trying to be. And then the rest of the flight. And look, I'm a wider guy. Right? We've established this. Love the foods. The rest of the flight, I am doing this like smush myself over to the window. Make sure my elbow is conscious of your space. Oh.

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Should not have given this woman the satisfaction. Look, this woman was named Chris Hogan. Yeah. But so back to the point is, yes. Chris Hogan, Rob Gruncowski, things are trending in a very positive direction when it comes to catching touchdowns from Tom Brady. I want to bring up something that may have a very far-reaching impact on the fantasy season. And that is the good vibe surrounding the Seahawks offensive line. Sure.

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One thing that you know about offensive lines, now you can have preseason projections about how they're going to perform and the, you know, pro football focus can come out and say they don't think that they're very good old line because that's based on, you know, independent evaluation and grading individual players across that offensive line. But the one thing that Seattle's shown in the preseason is a continuity that now exists because they played together last year. You can have a bad individual grade.

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But if you play together as an offensive line, that can be sometimes more effective than just bringing in different parts and having them play together for the first time. And whatever we're seeing right now, look, we've been conditioning our love of Russell Westbrook. We've been conditioning our love. Wilson. Triple double. You had basketball. Yeah, I was moving on to the next point a little too quick. We've conditioned our love of Russell Wilson. We've conditioned our excitement for both Chris Carson or Rashad Penny and that offense.

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All on a offensive line. We got breaking news. That could struggle. Breaking news. Hit the button. Relevant. Yes. Breaking news. Now, Brooks. Where did this come from? Let me check. Sleeper. Sleeper gave this. Sleeper. All right. Mike Garofalo. Well, tweet it out. I don't know why Andy's so disappointed because the Seahawks.

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have signed Tyler Lockett to a three-year extension. A $32 million extension? Is this real? Wow, good for you, Tyler Lockett. What? This is Ben Cummins MVP this season, a huge breakout possibility with everything going wrong with Doug Baldwin. Everything going right with Seattle's offensive line. What? Andy, why are you so disappointed by this? Four minutes ago, I dropped Tyler Lockett to pick up a kicker. No! Oh, good!

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bodyed. Four minutes ago, I had to make a decision on my League of Record bench for a week one kicker. And Tyler Lockett. Who did you keep instead of Tyler Lockett? Who did you keep? Well, clearly Adam Venetieri. No, you have to get a kicker. That's fine. But who did you keep over Tyler Lockett? Dante Moncrief? Okay. That's fine. I will say that. Jordan Wilkins? Oh, you got to hold on to Wilkins. Calvin, Benjamin, Corey, Clement.

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Yeah, and Pat Mahomes. I mean, I get it. Oh, Mahomes? If Pat Mahomes is your second quarterback, is he your second quarterback? Yeah, then Pat Mahomes should have been punted. Should have drop kicked him like Baxter off the bridge. You don't know why I didn't. You don't know why I didn't. I didn't do that because I have Tyree Kiel and I wanted to see. Oh, you want that stack? I want week one or two to see what I got. And I was the last person draft a quarterback. So, well, let this be.

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I mean, just because he gets paid money doesn't mean he's going to be, no, but everything and a bag of trips, as the kids say. But it means that the team, after all of the struggles of Tyler Lockett with his health, not really producing on the football field, the Seahawks think that they're, they're blaming the struggles on just injury. And I,

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Yeah, and let this be a lesson. When you adopt the strategy, which we love the strategy, if you don't have to have a defense and a kicker, grab some of these other guys. But usually you want to hold on to those guys right up until the end because, you know, something happens even in practice leading up to that last week. 20 million guaranteed, max value of 37.8 million. Good for you, Lockett. Congratulations. All righty. That's a good vibe from the preseason. It is.

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Speaking of the opposite of good vibes, it's time to talk about bad vibes. It is. It is. I've got to drop for that. Let's start with Cameron Meredith. It seems like the depth chart in New Orleans is. That's a Saints wide receiver. Yes. It's entirely unsettled outside of Michael Thomas, also known as Michael Thomas. Michael Thomas.

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I think Ted Ginn has his role is established. Trey Kwan Smith say what? Yeah, I mean, right now you're seeing, yeah, maybe you can say Ted Ginn is established, but they spent a third round pick on Trey Kwan Smith, who's been one of the highlights of the preseason. He has. You have Austin Carr who's been involved. You have Cameron Meredith coming over from, you know, he had a very productive season in Chicago before the injury, but.

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I just think the vibes right now. Cameron Meredith has caught zero passes on 48 preseason snaps, and he's going to get a lot of preseason week four work. According to head coach Sean Payton, Cameron Meredith does not look like any sort of guaranteed value late in the draft. I completely agree. It's unfortunate, but Cam Meredith was, he was up against it. He had a devastating knee injury that he had to recover from. Then he was changing teams.

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the opportunity was tremendous. If you establish yourself as the number two wide receiver for Drew Breeze, Sean Peyton, and the New Orleans Saints, then I mean, that's huge news for your fantasy value, but it's just, it's not going to happen. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean, he's one of those players because of the injury that you have to have watched preseason, and he's got to prove it to you, and he hasn't.

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You know, you then have to assume that he's not going to break out come week one, at least. Maybe it's going to take him a little bit more time to get fully recovered, get integrated into the new offense. And look, we've talked about when wide receivers change teams, the difficult nature for that first year. Sammy Watkins hasn't looked that great coming over.

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