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Week 16 Matchups + Wheel of Shame, Bah Humbug! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 12/22

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Week 16 Matchups + Wheel of Shame, Bah Humbug! | Fantasy Football 2023 - Ep. 1529

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Christmas-week semifinal show where Andy is openly grouchy, Papa Josh threatens the in-house trophy, and the Wheel of Shame lands after a long faceoff history.

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That is accurate. So if there's some kind of discount that he can't even resist. Are you going to make, are you going to like buy a Lamborghini and sell it for, for a dollar, but only to Justin Fields at halftime? Is your name Justin Fields? If you leave the field right now, you can have this for a dollar. Is there any chance Justin Fields drives to the wrong location? I don't think so. Yeah, he hasn't, he hasn't done it yet. And I do believe, oh, wait, no, they're at home. So they'll drive. They'll say there would be a bus. Yeah, that.

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The truth is, Justin Fields looks set up to be a great matchup. DJ Moore, 33% target share since Fields has returned. His utilization has turned from frustrating to guaranteed. They force feed him the ball on a handful of screens every game. Then they target him downfield. So those two guys are obviously in your lineup. There's no league out there where you're not starting one of these two players. I doubt you have Justin Fields and Josh Allen on the same team. You could play with fire with a foreman or Roshan, but we can't tell you who it's going to be. There's so many people asking Dak, Prescott, or Justin Fields. I've been DM'd it. I've been dasted on. It's one of our top searches. In that situation, I had my answer. I do too. I've got my answer. It's a pretty easy answer for me. Oh, no. It's not easy for me. It's easy for you, and I don't know which one it is. For me, I said Dak. It's Dak for Jason. Yeah. It's not easy for me.

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I have them one spot apart. Kyla Murray has four passing touchdowns and five starts. He stinks right now. Chicago has picked off two plus passes in four straight games. That is where I'm saying their defense. Not only is it a great play, but that could be the way that the, look, if they get up on some defensive pressure in scores or the first couple scores are on the ground, that's your case against Fields and more. Otherwise it's going to be real tough. Marquise Brown is not practicing. Left last game of the heel injury. If he plays, it's probably worse for the Cardinals. I don't think he plays. And I don't think he plays either. You know who else probably doesn't play? I don't think Greg Dorch plays. Dorch is like the only wide receiver. Dorch has been banged up. Yeah. And Michael Wilson has not looked like he did early in the season since he's been dealing with his injuries. So I don't know how much is on Kyler and how much is not on Kyler for the fact that he really does not have good weapons to try to throw the ball to.

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But he's not going to have good weapons in this game. Trey McBride is great, 27% targets per route run, leads all tight ends and trails only Tyreek and Devante Adams among wide receivers. He is a must always start, even if you flex him. We had lots of debates on Kyler versus. You know, Kyla versus Joe Flacco, one of the bigger searches on the site. Kyler versus Nick Mullins. I don't think Kyler's upside is high or tremendous in this game whatsoever. You may blink and miss their possessions. They're 28th in time of possession this year, and the bears are like third in place per game. That was the most painful thing about the Camara Saints situation last night. If you didn't watch for a couple of seconds, the Rams had the ball. And so when you have an underdog against a good defense, that's what hurts you. You always want to lean into like maybe there's garbage time. Yeah, yeah, that's what you need. And look, that's what got Derek Carson numbers last night. It wasn't them playing their straight up defense. It was garbage time.

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But it makes a really, it's like the, you know, there's a straight line on a map to get someplace. And then there's a scenic route that takes you a lot longer. The road is not paved. And that is the, that is the, that is the way that the defense, I mean. That scenic route is the I10 from, from Phoenix to L.A. Which means there is nothing. This is just, you don't want to see it. No, and I don't want to have to go on that path to get my points. Okay, but here's the. The real push comes to shove questions, which we have asked but not answered. Let's answer them. Joe Flacco or Kyler Muriel. Joe Flacko. Kyleor Murray or Nick Mullins. Mullins. I have gotten into the Mullins camp this week. I think Mullins is good. I hope so, but I go Flacco, Kyler, Mullins. That's my ranking. That one is tough. Because like people like Andy, other people where in the industry, I really respect their opinion are.

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bullish on Mullins, and I can see the case. But my case is that Nick Mullins was awful last week. Well, he put up huge numbers. I know, but I'm saying awful as terms of the quarterback play. Like the touchdown to Jordan Addison was just in the first one. It was such an ill-advised throw. He's falling over. Pretty much grounds the ball, but Jordan Addison made it incredible catch. And then there was no defenders left. Tray McBride's a great star James Connor. James Connor has had this odd, he's had two great weeks in a row. The coaching staff is failing James Connor. He is fifth and eleventh in terms of their fantasy finishes in the last two weeks, including a game against San Francisco, where he had a huge run, a 44-yard run in that game. He scored again two straight weeks. We saw Connor win championships last year, but the snap counts were up 49%.

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It's not just the snap counts. He's been back for five games since his returning from injury. And in that time, he has nine receiving yards. Saquan against Philly or James Connor against Chicago? Devin Singletary or James Connor. Oh, my gosh. I'm not bullish on Devin Singletary like you guys are. I mean, I want to talk about snap counts and opportunities? Yeah, I guess I'm going to change. I'm going to go Singletary there. You know that Saquant had nine carries last week? Yeah, they pretty much gave up. And they don't, he doesn't put up numbers against bad defenses is what someone told me. Dallas, 10 and 4, the dolphins are 10 and 4. I mentioned this stat and I am sorry, I apologize to whoever tweeted it. It was early in the week. I don't remember who it was. You have 20 combined wins between the dolphins and the Cowboys. One of the 20 wins is against the team above 500. It's about to be two.

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Yeah, it is about to be two. Don't smoke, kids. There are, the over under is 50. Miami is one point home favorites. So it's pretty much a straight up game. Dallas had the, you know, they went on the road and laid an egg last week. I think it's going to be a lot better for them this week, obviously. Miami, number one in points per game. Even without Tyree Kill, you had the big strike from Tua. I mean, what are your real question marks in this game? I mean, all of the core. assets are getting played, right? Yeah, you're going to play them. I'm curious if we end up with a disappointment. One of the craziest stats I've seen in a while. So far this year, we've had 11 games with a 50 or more point over under. That's what we're looking for. 10 of the 11, not like 60%. Only one game has hit the over. Every other one has hit the under and disappointed. So I don't know how...

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You know, how bullish we are on this hitting the excitement. But the truth is, you still have a high over under. You have two explosive offenses. And I want the pieces in this game. I'm, you know, not going to call it a guarantee that they succeed. But DAC, despite having, you know, some people are saying he's got, had two down weeks in a row. Two weeks ago was not that bad. He did, you know, it's like 17.5 fantasy points. It's, it was terrible. compared to what he was doing, which was every week being like the number one quarterback on the week, last week was legitimately bad. That was out in the rain, on the road, in Buffalo. This is on the road against a good Dolphins team, but I think Dak bounces back and has a good game. He's in over everyone. C.D. Lamb is obviously in. What do you do with Brandon Cooks? A couple of bad games, but one of those was that Buffalo game. Yeah, I'm a little bit worried about that.

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the Brandon Cook start when you look at, I mean, would you play him or would you play Deonte or Nico? I think I go Cooks personally. A high over under. Addison? I, I'm going to go Addison there. I'm going to chase it. Yeah, Cooks is low in my rankings. Jake Ferguson confidence this week. That's where I wanted to ask, like, if you had happened to pick up Dallas Goddard while he was hurt, or you picked up Isaiah likely after the Andrews injury. Would you play both of those guys over Ferguson? What was the second one? Isaiah likely. I probably would, but Ferguson's had eight targets in three straight weeks. He just hasn't gotten back into the end zone, right? And he's always targeted around the end zone. He's certainly someone that you... I think it's going to be okay for him this week. All right. Sunday night, football, Patriots, 3 and 11, Broncos 7 and 7. Looks like it could be a snowy game, at least a little bit of snow.

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And the games in Denver mile high. Denver minus seven over under is 34. Pretty heavy favorites there. And so Bailey Zappy again, Zeke, Mike, he's your start of the week, giving people some confidence. Hunter Henry. It's just like Devon Singletary of I'm chasing opportunities here. And that is, there is, there is no metric or anything that is, that means this is a 100% going to work for a player. Players can be in great situations and fail. But you got to chase the probability. Zeke or Connor? I would go Zeke. Jason? Zeke's workload is just asininely high. And the Broncos have not been good at stopping the run on the course of the season. So I would go Zeke there. Hunter Henry, do we have an updated injury report on him? Just that he's missed the last two practices. If he's active, does that instantly make him a must start to you?

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Yeah, I mean, you know, relative to other good options. I'm not playing him ahead of the Nijokos and Shmevin Shmingrum and Trey McBride, obviously. But Hunter has been great. He's been targeted from Zappy. He's been used around the red zone. And the matchup is great against Van Joseph led Broncos. So he is a great start if he's active. All right, answer it quick. If you throw a dart and it lands on one New England receiver to take a chance on, what's the name? Your face? Nice. That darts like a boomerang. You're saying you throw it, it will land on your own face. Yeah, that's what I am saying. If I pick one and you're saying they have to be a wide receiver, it would be DeMario Douglas. Russell Wilson on the other side, Javante Williams, I mean, this game has a 34 point over under guys. I don't, I don't really want any pieces from it. No, and I don't blame you. Javante Williams, you could make the argument, well, it's a Devin Singletary's a massive volume. Yeah, except the big difference is Devin Singletary's been really good, really efficient.

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chunk plays. Giovante has sucked. I'm sorry. He has. He's just like, you don't have to be sorry. You can be sad. Yeah, I am. Maybe that's a better way to say it. I'm sad because we've always loved Javante. Yeah. Coming back off of this massive injury, he has not yet looked the same. Maybe next year with another offseason because his injury was legitimately difficult. But I mean, you look at. since the buy week. He's had massive opportunities. 3.8 a carry, 3.4 a carry, 3.6 carry, 3.5 a carry, 3.9 a carry, 2.2. There isn't a good week. It's not like, oh, here's a good performance where you're efficient. He's not getting it done. The New England Patriots defense is good. I'm not wanting to start Javante. Like, easy James Connor over Javante to me. Cortland Sutton has 53 plus yards in six straight games. He loves to score touchdowns. Low over under, tough defense.

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Sutton or Hopkins against Seattle? I'm going to go Hopkins. My first thought was how can you not play Sutton when he scores almost every week. But New England is great for taking away your number one option. And that is Cortland Sutton in this offense. And then there's no options. Right. Yes. So I go Hopkins. I worry about Sutton in this game. Ridley over Sutton? Ridley over Sutton for me. Garrett Wilson. I play Wilson. Which we got the official word. It's Trevor Simeon. Jack Wilson ruled out this morning. Yeah, I'm still of the belief that Wilson can have a fine, an okay game, like 12 fantasy points. Christmas football.com slate. Oh, oh, oh. We've got the Raiders against the Chiefs. Raiders are six and eight. Chiefs are nine and five. The D.K. Sportsbook line, Kansas City, minus 10. The over under is 41.

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I've already used my almost upset. I do think the Raiders will cover in this game. That's just my opinion. You know, big game for the Raiders last week against the hapless Chargers. Kansas City offense, clearly not the juggernaut of old. They're third in passing yards, but fifth most interceptions in the league. Is that where Mahomes really is? 16th and ret- He keeps targeting Cadarious Tony in the hands. So that's called an interception. 13. Yeah, there aren't real weapons for the chiefs. Kelsey got slowed down last week, but you can play him this week. It was New England. Rashi Rice has an auto start at this point with his nine. You know, he's got all these, the way they run that offense is not like a reed progression that ends up at Rashi Rice. A lot of times it's designed plays to Rashi Rice. And so you're going to have that.

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They're going to line up in the huddle and they're going to run a play. It's going to be for Rashi, and he's a very explosive receiver. And he's finally out there. 90 plus percent of snaps last week, nine or ten targets every week for the last month. Yeah, he's an auto start. The big challenge here is like any expectations for Mahomes and Rice and Kelsey could be impacted by their newfound love of the run game and Isaiah Pacheco returning. Are you putting Pacheco right back in your lineup? Yes. Yeah, the Raiders are great at allowing. running backs to have success. So on the other side, you had this explosion of 63 points last week. I'll take the under. I agree with that. You expect Josh Jacobs to be back. Still hasn't practiced, so we'll monitor that. But, you know, it worked for everybody last week, Myers and Adams, and it was Amir White last week, and Michael Mayer scored a touchdown. So did they find something? Did you say you expect Josh Jacobs to be back? That's what it was reported early in the week that he was going to be back.

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Okay. But he hasn't practiced. Right. He is not practiced. Yeah, we're getting conflicting information. I say this only because this is Christmas. So this is like you're going to have to make a decision before you might know the answer. So if you don't have Zemir White, right. You need to really watch Saturday. Yeah, 100%. I mean, you if. Let's say he plays and we get confirmation. He practices today, which I think, you know, based on the report early in the week of them expecting him back, if he practiced today, maybe you could conclude he's going to play. Yeah. If that happened, are you playing Jacobs or are you playing Bijon? Bejan. So you don't have a lot of confidence in Jacobs coming back. No, I have a lot of confidence in Beijing. I'm on Jason's side of really liking Bijon. Devante Adams? He just played against these Chiefs. He was, I think, 5 for 76 or something to that extent. Yeah, 5 for 73, two weeks ago at home. They scored 17 in that one against the Chiefs. You played Devante Adams. You just have to. What about Jacoby, though?

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No thanks. Not this defense on the road. There's probable rain. His numbers were not good last week. They were bad. Correct. He just threw a touchdown pass. Otherwise, he had 32 receiving yards in a game that scored 63 points. They were good the last time to play the Chiefs, though. Six for 79 with a score. Yes, that is true. Yeah, I'm not confident enough to start Jacoby Myers. I'm holding my breath. Jacob Myers or Zay Flowers. Flowers. Flowers. I'm holding my breath with Devante Adams. I know he already had, you know, 70 yards. That's awesome. That's like the best of the season against the Chiefs as the wide receiver number one. False. Josh Palmer. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The true wide receiver one out there. Yeah. No, I mean, they should be checking the ball, Devante's way. I think that's what you hope for. You just hope for double digit targets and you just pray it works out. Jacoby or Brandon Cooks. Brandon Cooks. Okay. All right. Where are we?

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Done with the Raiders. Michael Mayer in play? No. No. Okay. Just making sure. The Giants are 5 and 9. Eagles are 10 and 4. The D.K. Sportsbook line is a monstrous. Philly. Phyllis 403. That gives the Giants 14.8 points. Gross. Do they hit it? I may have to sit this game out, too. I mean, Sequan Barkley. Saquan has gone from top five performance to disaster to top five performance to disaster the last four weeks. Top five incoming. Well, I hope you're right. The defense for the Eagles, while over the course of the year, they rank number one pretty much is one of the best matchups or rather one of the best defenses against running backs. Over the last six weeks, the Eagles defense is 23rd against opposing running backs. And they're also 31st against the past. So the problem is that New York doesn't have weapons beyond Saquan to move the ball down the field. What if I told you we got news?

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that Tommy DeVito's LLC has filed for two trademarks, guys. Oh, let me hear him. One you can guess. Danny DeVito. Tommy Cutlets. Tommy Cutlets. Yeah. The second one, which. It's delightful. It got me, it got a little chuckle out of me. It's delightful. The passing Paisano. The passing Paisano. Wow. Oh, man. What is? I've never. Does he make enough money to register LLCs right now? I have, well, when he's not, you know. not showing up to pizza places, things like that. I haven't heard that one. It's great. No, it's great. No, he's getting ahead of it. He's, he is speaking that one into existence, passing Pisano. Oh, man. Talk about really laying claim to your 15 minutes. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, good for him. Yeah. Oh, you capitalize. Yeah. Because in about five years, we're going to be snapping our finger going.

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What's that guy's name? The chicken guy. The chicken guy. But maybe he takes over. Oh, yeah, Danny DeVito. You should register like Captain Calzone. Something like that. Captain Canoli? You should reach out to him. Yeah. I've got some more. I got some more stuff. No, you need to go register him right now. Sell it to me. Yeah. For $10. Dude, I can negotiate with that one dude. His agent? I want him on the phone. He will tell you to forget about it. You just got to make him an offer. He can't refuse. DeAndre Swift has not been great. He was a yard away from a very good game last. That's what he does. But I'm saying 18 for 74. You comfy? Yeah, he did. Connor or Swift? I would go swift. I would also go swift. You expect them to be up by a lot. They're obviously the largest favorite on the week.

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opportunities last week. I think one of the storylines for Philly last week was the early game involvement of Dallas Goddard. He didn't get it done over the back half of that game. They ended up losing it. But he is back out on the field for 84% of snaps the last two weeks. Nine targets. Goddard seems okay. Goddard seems really good because I am starting to get a little afraid of Devante Smith. Devante Smith was saying Goddard's back. Now wait a minute. We've got, uh, oh no. Oh, no. I know it's not good podcast. There's a photo up on our back wall of Jason in from Fedora Week versus Tommy Cutlet's agent. I also think this is back when Jason had the glasses that would fog up if he just breathed. Yep. Yeah. So you're in. That's looking good. Yeah, man. Maybe you need to make the deal for us. Yeah, I'll reach out. Also, can we go to Deucers Alley? Raise your hand if you're the one that put that on the screen.

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That's going to be Jeremy. Yeah, I know. Keep your hand up. Raise your hand if you're the one that's fired. Good. All right. So Goddard back. You read the numbers of the snaps and the involvement. Last two weeks for Dallas, or for Devonza Smith, 7.5 points, 7.8. Yes, good point. That's a good point. Not just that. He is missing practice with a knee injury. He missed Thursday practice. So that's why I'm, you know, you've got to be prepared in a legal record. In the league of record? I can't even remember who's got Devonthe Smith. Oh my gosh. Josh, you have him? I do. You did. But he'll still be better than Alvin Camara. If he plays. Yeah. No, I do think he'll play. He's been doing a little bit of maintenance and they are the Monday game. So Friday's what matters. I'd love to make it something more than it is, but I don't think it is. I think he'll play. Now, that's a separate issue.

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then if he's a little banged up, if he's been outside of the top 36 for two weeks, and Dallas Godd's involvement impacted him last year because he had to be out for Devonzie Smith to have his big explosion. That's worth noting. Now the Giants are great matchups if get right. Yeah, the Giants over the course of the season, they have given it up more to wide receivers than two tight ends. So this should be, if Devante Smith is active, I mean, I'm not benching when I say I'm worried. I'm just, I'm just holding my breath that he, that he plays.

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But I think AJ Brown, Devante Smith, Dallas Goddard, Swift, and Jalen Hertz, they're probably all in your lineup in a game where you expect them to score a lot and be in control. Smith or Garrett Wilson, Jason. I would go Smith. You're talking Jalen Hertz versus Trevor Simeon. I want to be the favorite. 28 points is what they're given these eagles. And not a lot of credit to this defense for the Giants and being able to slow them down, which makes the giant decisions. Well, they're tough. I mean, Sequin is the one. It's the only discussion to be had on that side of the ball. Don't play anybody else. Really? I think you can ask about Waller. You can ask about him. I just said don't play him. Okay. I don't want to play him. Because it's just non-sustained drives. He hasn't really done anything for your fantasy team. You know, four catches, 40 yards last week. I think that's. On 42% of the snaps. Sure. Is the, that's the optimistic view is.

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It was his first game back from injury. He played less than half of the game. And in that time, he had six targets. It's just so risky for semifinal. It is. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, it is risky. I mean, Seekwon played 50% of snaps last week. Yeah, if you're really struggling and you don't have a tight end, you know, you were rolling Hunter Henry and you're not sure if he's going to play. And Waller's out there, you can pick him up and have him as a pivot option. But there are. I mean, I'll play him over Kate Otten. If that's what you want me to say. Yeah, I mean, that's what we want.

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And the semifinals, I would assume that the vast majority of rosters have a better option. So with Saquan, is he a start no matter what because he's Saquan in your mind or would you actually consider benching him at all? I mean, like Ty Chandler's Saquan. You make that decision. Ooh. I mean, Ty Chandler's matchup sucks. It's the worst in football. And then you got Sequin. It sucks. Even as. probably the most optimistic view of Ty Chandler on the show right now. I'd still play Seekwon over here. Chuba. Yeah, that's a great call. I mean, that's a tough one. I think the right call there is Chuba Hubbard, but I wouldn't do it. Yeah. So what? Well, it sounds fancy football. So dumb. Yeah, it is. I would say that Saquan is. Don't listen to me this week, everybody. Seekwon is the type of player where you need to make sure you let go of the name value, the name recognition, and you make a,

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calculated process-based answer. So some of those, like, there's, there's strikes against Chuba, even though he's been good for a couple weeks. Sequin's been good for most of the season. There's strikes against Ty Chandler with his matchup. Or one game ever. Right, right. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm not going to put those type of players in above Sequan. But if you're telling me, you're going back to the well with Bijan and Brise as well. Yes. So if you're telling me that you've got, you know, Aaron Jones. in a great matchup by himself. And that's the decision. Now I'm going, okay, I think Aaron Jones scores more fantasy points at say quality sweet. Okay. Baltimore's 11 and 3, the 49ers, 11 and 3. This matchup concluding the Christmas day. This is going to be great. Driving Sportsbook line, San Francisco minus five and a half. The game's late enough, Mike. We might get a watch it on Christmas. Oh, no, I'm watching them all.

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We did Home Alone last night, by the way. Number one. Which I heard, yeah, which I heard you whistling in the office yesterday, and I didn't know if you had just watched it again. I hate, like a week or so ago. That is one of the most rewatchable movies ever. It's fantastic. It flies by, too. It's not one of those movies that just takes forever. It just feels like you blink and they're already in the scene where they're in the house. We were cracking up again. I've seen it like 50 times. I have not seen that movie in. What? three three days no and like well in like five 12 years or so what are you doing until a couple weeks ago and and i was like just this is so good how you have you have three children how have you not watched home alone he's not a good father no i you know home alone one and two are you have to watch them every year i heard i heard someone that will not be named tell the world

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that Home Alone 3 is the best of the three movies. Okay. A grown man. Okay. Yeah. A grown man. You cannot name this person because they will no longer be safe. No. I mean, what are you talking about? I've never. I know. I've never heard a worst take on anything. They might have been drunk. I don't know. I don't care. Yeah. There's no excuse for this. Wow. But no, Home Loan one's so good. We went. We went with spirited last night. I went, uh, catching fire last night the christmas movie the christmas movie what it's wrong with you catching fire is that the hunger game yeah hunger games catching fire that's our christmas movie last night so okay so hunger games in home alone out well to be fair this year both were in so would have your children have they seen home alone too yes oh my god 12 years ago yeah when they were born i am

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