Early 2018 Values + Movie/Player Comparisons

Oh, it's Trey Burton. You better hide your pickinick baskets. Oh, my goodness. Trey Burton, it comes down. The value I see in Trey Burton is, is that right now in the eighth round. What are you laughing at? Did you just get it? No, of course I got the joke earlier, but it's just dawning on me again. Like our nickname Trey Boo Boo, Boo, it just made me real. It's so stupid. I mean, it's just, I just had to hang my head and go.

How did we get to Trey Boo Boo? Okay, so the man who has forced us to use Turok Cohen. Oh, Turok Cohen's the greatest. You are shame, you are name shaming Trey Boo Boo Boo. Where did Boo come from? Oh, there's Turok. Where did Boo come from? Because his last name starts with a B. And he's on the Bears. He was Trey Boo before the Bears. Yeah, he was.

No, he wasn't. Yes, he was. He was. And then he got, oh, that's bad. Sorry, Andy to derail. Look, you want to wait on tight end. Unless you're getting a steal on Rob Grancowski and you're talking late second round or something like that. You want to wait on tight end. And Trey Burton offers you immense upside at a great value. He is behind and will be behind Kyle Rudolph. He will be drafted behind Delaney Walker.

And I like him both more than both of those players. The challenge, and maybe that's what the inherent value is, the challenge is projecting Trey Burton based on his very limited sample size. In our ultimate draft kit, we have these really cool consistency charts that are all color-coded. And you can see how a player played from year to year, game to game. And we had a listener write in and say, where's Trey Burton? That's the right.

question because he didn't play there is nothing he's not consistent nor inconsistent he has uh you know 300 yards is a career high uh on his you know on what we've seen so far so it's all about projection of trebubu and you have to follow a few key pieces of evidence here one is the four year 32 million dollar contract right he was paid 22 million dollars guaranteed after flashing you know in place of zack urts in philadelphia

And it's all about that athleticism. Now, he is not Travis Kelsey. I want people to understand that because it's easy with Matt Nagy in Chicago to just say, okay, he's just come in and be Travis Kelsey. He's not Travis Kelsey. He's shorter than Travis Kelsey. He's also faster than Travis Kelsey. But he's coming in to play that role. That's the U-Tide-in role. And that was one of the highest priorities for Matt Nagy, new head coach, of the Bears, when he came in there. Now, they re-signed Dion Sims. They still have Adam Shaheen, but those guys were going to play...

different roles in the offense that you tied in is the Travis Kelsey role where you line up in the backfield, where you motion out of the backfield, where you are on and off the line of scrimmage. That's what Negi wanted. And you have a high talent, highly paid, highly utilized role in this offense. And as far as I am concerned, there are very few tight ends in the NFL that create more mismatches than the kind of profile of Trey Burton. So I really like him.

I think he's a great value at 801. If I could wait and spend seven draft picks on, you know, wide receiver, running back, and then grab my tight-in in the eighth round with a top three, top five potential guy in Trey Burton. That's what I want to do. And I think he's kind of a, you know, just a high upside tight-in. I mean, he's a must talk about on a value show because he represents, to me, this season, the last guy.

in the tier of tight end that I want, which is usually the guy I target going into drafts. Like, who's the guy I can get late that I actually want? Like, if I miss out on him, whatever, you know, Mike can do the Vance dance. But he's the guy I want who's going the latest. And that's usually how I do tight end every year. So from an upside perspective, you guys would not project Walker or Rudolph to have a higher ceiling than Burton, would you? Rudolph, not Walker. Oh, I would say Walker.

Yes, but he could have a high ceiling. Touchdowns represent ceiling to me. I still think he can, but I would rather have Tray Burton. All right, Jason, who's your next early value? My next early value, I'm ziggin where I'm usually zagging. I don't know.

There's a lot of players I really like his values this year. I brought up Carlos Hyde. I want to talk about him. I love me some carry-on Johnson, but he's rising up the draft board. Ty Montgomery, but we just talked about him. There's a lot of good values out there. But one guy that I don't think we've talked about at all, and nobody wants him, I can, I mean, I can guarantee nobody wants him, because he is the running back 60.

That's the golden. You know how you have golden birthdays? Because he's 60 years old. That's old man. That's the golden birthday? Yes, the golden birthday. Look, Frank Gore is the least sexy pick you can ever make. And this is really a roster construction conversation when you talk about Frank Gore late. For me, I don't usually go this way. I like to take the safe early round picks.

and swing for the fences in the late round. But the argument can be made, you know, the higher probability of getting those home run hits are earlier. You know, you want to go to Joe Mixen route in those early middle rounds where there's a little bit more risk there. You can take really, really late, a guy like Frank Gore, who, I mean, you talk about a value. There's no way he's finishing as the running back 60. He's going to be in the 30s or 20s because he always is. In fact, the last decade, including the last

four years where he's been over 30 years old, he's never finished past the running back 20. And if you look at the depth chart and you go, okay, you got Kenyon Drake who they just clearly don't want to give the ball. I mean, they're doing everything in their power last year and this year and offseason to make sure he's just not the guy or maybe to keep him healthy. That means carries have to go somewhere else. And if Frank Gore ends up with 200 carries,

Oh, man. I know doubting him is the wrong thing to do. Oh, it's so easy. But I still see him at, I think with the transition of the team at this stage in his career, I just worry about that Fred Jackson year. You know, Fred Jackson, Fred Jackson was 34 when he went to Seattle, 26 carries for 100 yards, and then faded into the sunset. Gore's 35. Yeah, he's 35. But he's going home. This is his hometown. He's true. He's got something to play for here.

In front of his hometown crowd. He goes where old people go. Florida. Yeah, well, you know, you stay healthy there. Will they let him play in a Hawaiian shirt?

Oh, that'd be cool. Like over the pads. Over the pads. Very nice. I want to see if it can happen. No. So look, he's not a huge upside guy, but he's a guy where you can play in your flex and you're going to get some starts out of them this year. And they sign him for a reason and they don't have a locked in starter. So at this point, you're telling me the RB 60 in drafts is the potential to be a starter on one of 32 NFL teams. That's all. That's all it is.

All right, Mike. Oh, we're going back to this well. Is that what we're doing? I love this well. What movie is this? I've seen this one before. It's called all water is wet because this is, it's just facts. What do you call a three star movie, Brooks? A dime a dozen. Something like that. Go ahead, Mike. Okay, well, dime a dozen. I'm going to talk about more value from the Miami Dolphins. That is Kenny Stills.

who Andy covers his face, but let me read some numbers for you. Kenny Stills last year was a wide receiver won 18.75% of his games. Though that is the same percentage as Demarius Thomas, waiver wire sensation Robbie Anderson, and Julio freaking Jones. Kenny Stills. You heard of here. I only like the Julio part of that argument. The other part of the argument I think is lame. Just so you know.

I'm with you. Comparing him to Demarius Thomas, when Demarius Thomas disappointed people. Demarius Thomas was still a weekly starter, and Robbie Anderson was incredible. Once you picked him up off the wire and he was hot, everyone loved Robbie Anderson. Let me ask you a genuine question, just to completely submarine your argument. Have you ever started Kenny Stills in a fantasy league before? Yes. I have as well. Yeah, several times. Have you ever done it two weeks in a row? Yes. I have. I have.

Have you ever been happy about doing it? Yes. I have. Oh, come on. It's true. Liars. Even though it seems like Kenny Stills has played. Brooks, have you ever started Kenny Stills? No, he's shaking his head. It feels like he's played in the league for 15 years. I get it. He just turned 26 years old. Over the past two seasons, he is tied for the seventh most receiving touchdowns in the NFL. He is tied with Doug Baldwin and Brandon Cooks for touchdown receptions. Well, yeah, but he got to play with.

Jay Cutler and Matt Moore. Exactly. The team, the Miami Dolphins have vacated 41% of their targets. If you talk about Jarvis Landry, Julius Thomas, and Jay Jai. The team has vacated 50% of their passing touchdowns from this past season. Kenny Stills is going in the 12th round. Kenny Stills is completely free in drafts because.

80% of your league is thinking like Andy that you can just find this type of wide receiver production wherever you want, even though you cannot. I'm not saying Kenny Stilts is a wide receiver. One, you're like, yeah, I would just won my draft because I got Kenny Stills. This is about value. This is about a player who will outproduce, who will certainly outproduce his 12th round 80. And if you're talking.

you know, values are great for best ball too. And Kenny Stills is a perfect bestball player because he sneaks behind the defense. He's a sub four-four runner. When he's played, he's played, this is 2015 to 2017. He's played 28 games with Ryan Tannahill. He's played 19 without him. His pace with Ryan Tanna Hill is 35 receptions for 500 yards. Ryan Tannel hasn't played football in forever.

He's played 28 times with Kenny Stills. Ryan Hill is still an upgrade over Jay Cutler for this past year. Without Ryan Tannehill, his pace is 56 receptions, 821 yards, and 8 touchdowns. Actually respectable numbers. With Ryan Tannahill 35, 593 and 5. I was going to say with the one. 28 game sample size on a team that I think is going to be terrible. The one thing I would say in defense of Andy here, and when I played Kenny Stills back to back week and loved it.

was what he's the best friend of Matt Moore. Matt Moore just loved him, but it's not just Matt Moore. Drew Brees was great with him too. I mean, obviously he's Drew Brees, but. I like your argument about the vacated targets. Who is Ryan Tannenhill's best friend? He left out. It was Jarvis Landry and he's gone. You have the variables of you agree. Amadola, Albert Wilson. I am not, I'm not saying all 50 or all 41% of those targets are going to, Kenny Stilt. You could have started him.

I'll give you his week when he finished 25th last year. You could have started him six of 16 weeks. Right. And for a guy going in the 12th round. But he's still 25. He's 26. Would you rather have Kinney Stills or Kenny Gallaudet? Battle of the Kinneys. That's great. I would rather have Kenny Stills. I would rather have Kenny Gulladay because of quarterback. I thought maybe because then. Oh. The routes are smooth. So smooth. All right. All right. Now, I'm not trying to just battle you on it.

tired of talking about Kenny Stills year after year and not actually, you know, feeling like I get what I want from him. I don't disagree that he's talented. I just think that the variables of how often he's been utilized and how, you know, if they threw him the ball, if you could tell me you're going to throw the ball to Kenny Stills eight times a game, I'd be like, nice, he's probably going to catch a bunch of those and score a bunch of touchdowns. So we'll see what happens with Kenny Stills. Somebody is going to emerge in Miami as...

a fantasy weapon at the wide receiver position. And I know we're just as fatigued about talking about Devante Parker that I don't think any of us are projecting that from Devante Parker. No. So then it's like, is it Stills? Is it Wilson who, you know, the hype trains running for Albert Wilson right now, Danny Mandola. Or maybe it'll be nobody and they won't score all year. Well, the nice thing is, and this is true, their defense.

has been downgraded a lot. And they're going to need to throw the ball to catch up. And they're going to need to throw the ball deep. And that's going to benefit stills. You're going to see a down crease on their defense? Yes, a very large down crease. Huge. Huge down crease. All right, let's get into the mailbag. Mailbag. Mailbag. If you have a question.