Tough Calls, Dynasty Values + Ways to Determine Draft Order - Fantasy Football Podcast for 7/3

If you have a question for the show, go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com, click the submit a question button or dial the voicemail hotline, 302464. TFFB, let's kick it off with the voicemail question. What's up, Ballers? Keep your question, if you'd rather keep Metcalf in the fourth or Tj. Hawkinson in the 10th, thanks. Oh, okay. I'm keeping D.K. Metcalfe in the fourth round. I know you're...

You're not getting the major value. Where's Metcalf going right now? Probably third round. Metcalf right now is 80Ps in the second round. Probably second. Okay. So that's a pretty good value. Not too bad, especially when you're looking at the curve of the value of a second round pick. I mean, I'm, I have Hockey Lees, T.J. Hawkinson from the Detroit Lions. I have him ranked very high. I think his potential to be the breakout tight end of the year.

It's strong. The receiving options are weaker there. They're brand new. But I don't, to bet losing out on D.K. Metcalf for a two-round value, I'm not going to place that bet on Hawkinson. Jason, you're the far most bullish on Hawkinson of the three of us. Yes. So I know that my answer will be the same for all of us, which is it's clearly D.K. Metcalfe who you need to take here. I love.

Hawkinson's outlook, his perspective, but you can draft them later. It doesn't matter. Getting a value on a true game changer that you already know is like he's an elite wide receiver that will win you weeks. You've got to take Metcalf here and then figure out tight end a less important position for fantasy as the draft goes on. I'm going to surprise you here. What? No, I'm not. I was blown away. I was like, what? I had to say it, but no, it's Metcalf. All right.

This question comes in Instagram. Jeff Spirano says Stafford versus Tannahill in a dynasty league. Who would you take between Ryan Tannahill and Matthew Stafford in a dynasty league? Tana Hill is almost 33. Stafford is just past that mark. Tannahill is like six months younger? Yeah. Did you not think that? No. No, I did not. I probably would have guessed. You've deleted the dolphin years?

I would have guessed that Stafford was older. Yeah. Oh, you thought it was a bigger gap. I thought it would be like two years. Yeah, but it is not. This just feeds back into why did Detroit get rid of a great quarterback. But they did. Wow. What do you think, though, for the dynasty outlook? I think. So age isn't really a concern here. No, outlook for the team. They're half a year apart. And the question is who's going to have?

a better career from this point forward, and not really a better career because that includes like wins and losses, but more fantasy points. I'm going to go with Tannahill because when I look at 2021, which I think both teams are set up for success right now, I have Tannahill as a much better fantasy option. He's been, you know, we talked about this. I just brought him up recently as a value on one of our shows. He was the quarterback three.

from, you know, after they're by all last season. The season before, once he got the start, he was the quarterback too. We know he could be outstanding for fantasy. And I realize Julio is older. And so that will go away at some point. So maybe you can make the argument that Sean McVeigh and the trust in the offensive system that's always been great with him will give a longer lifespan to Stafford. But also Stafford has a major back issue here, which, you know, like...

He's healthy. I hope he has a great long career, but that kind of matters for an aging quarterback. So I'm going Tana Hill, but it's not one of those slam nunks. Well, I like the receivers Tany Hills attached to. Like you said, age isn't the equation, but we've seen the consistency of Tannoh in the system. The best wide receivers in the equation are both on the Tennessee Titans. And, you know, it's easy to say, hey.

Maybe Stafford has five nice years there, but you just can't see that far ahead. They're going to have to have some turnover at their wide receiver position as well in the coming years with Robert Woods and company getting older. So I think it is Tandahill pretty decisively for me. Follow-up question about Robert Woods, though, Mike. Instagram question, what is Woods dynasty value? He's 29.

He signed a four-year $65 million extension before the 2020 season, but it just feels like we might not know in the fantasy community exactly how to feel about him. I think that he is still very safe. Robert Woods, the way that his production has come thus far in his career, is not I'm...

I'm a young elite athlete. He's a good wide receiver. So that's the type of skills that can translate as you get older because you don't lose that one step of your speed. And now all of a sudden, DBs can...

Can hang with you. It reminds me more of like the possession style like Derek Mason was in Baltimore. Or like Bolden. Yeah, Anglon Bolden was who came to my mind. Just a good solid route runner. You can have a longer career. Who's tough, got good hands and is in the spot that the quarterback wants him to be in. So I agree. I mean, he's got a nice contract extension. So I feel like if you're looking at a three year window, which is what I try to look at for fantasy, I think he's going to be for the next three years a top 20 wide receiver. Would you go trade a first round pick?

to next year's draft for Robert Woods if you think he has a three-year window? Man, that is a really, really good question. I think you can make an argument for it, but there are certain times of the year where a first round is worth so much where I feel like you might be able to even get more than Woods. That's where I was going to say the value of Robert Woods. Well, maybe it's your first for Woods in a third or Woods in a second. The value for Woods is far greater.

for the dynasty team that he is on, then his trade market. I mean, even when Woods, you know, two years ago, even then his trade market was still, hey, we, how many, are we sure, are we sure that Robert Woods is going to keep doing this? And people ask themselves that question every single year. Are you sure Robert Woods is actually that good? And yeah, so I think he is worth the first. You may not have to trade that to get him.

But I wouldn't be trading Robert Woods away because I don't think you can get fair value. Will Fuller or Robert Woods in a dynasty league? Oh, brother. I'll just keep bringing. Oh, brother. I'm going to take Robert Woods there. I think that you can argue that the ceiling is higher with Will Fuller and he's obviously a little bit younger. But I am so much more confident in what Robert Woods is. I'm usually the type of guy that I would rather have the known commodity.

then the hopeful upside that will probably let me down and then all of a sudden I'm middle of the pack in my league. And Fuller is, it was a one-year deal for the Dolphins, right? So Will Fuller is currently betting on himself. Antua. And, yeah, and too, and it could, that could turn into a massive contract with his pick of the litter or two years younger. It could flame out. Yeah, it's tough. I think part of.

What makes the Fuller situation more confusing for Dynasty players and in redraft is the one-year deal. It is not knowing, like this market for wide receivers, like Kenny Gallaudet got paid. It was rough for everybody else. So you don't know if like, it's easy to say Willful or bet on himself, right? Oh, I'm going to go have a great year. But maybe it was like, I'm going to get the most money on a one-year deal. And it's not about fit to get the next contract. It's just.

I think that I didn't have as many options. I think that is what it is. When Will Fuller signed his contract, it was not a strong market because of the cap situation. And all these wide receivers started signing these one-year deals because it was all they could get. And the teams are going, well, I'll be able to afford them next year. We've got cap trouble this year. All right. Let's go to another voicemail question here.

Hey guys, this is Brian from North Carolina, big fan of the show. Got a quick dynasty question for you. I think I have a pretty good team right now that's going to be able to contend for a couple of years. Is there a time that you could actually do too many moves and mess your team up by trying to overthink it? Look forward to hearing what you've got to say on this one. Bye, guys. Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Why are you trading?

We've had, are you case studies of this in our dynasty? Oh, blah, blah, blah. Oh, blah, blah. He's going to put him on bless. Yeah, you got to put him on bless because he's had a good team at times. And he can't stay steady. He's got to make moves. To be fair to him, he recognizes the problem. That's true. He just chooses not to address it because trading is fun. Yes. Trading in a dynasty league is fun and you can do it whenever you want. It can be.

April. There is no football going on. There's really no football in sight. You know, like, yeah, you know what I can get? I can go get a little fantasy fix. I can go check out my team. I can go make a trade, spice things up. But yes, if you're trading simply because you're bored and not because it's, okay, this is a, this is something I have identified that I have to repair on my team, or this is something I have identified that this is a peak value time that I can extract by trading this player.

The stakes can be very high in dynasty in terms of something going south for you on a trade. So, like, it is fun to shoot your shot, right? And to identify somebody that you believe is going to break out or is going to be great. But then you could have a situation where, like, I should have moved James Robinson, right? Like, before the draft, I should have committed and made a move. Like, that was a situation where I waited. I tried to be patient. It was the wrong move. I thought about it. I made a couple offers, which I tried harder. But you would identify this is a...

This is a pivotal moment of his value can either skyrocket or it can plummet. And you would identify that so it wasn't. It wasn't trading for trading. Yeah. You're not like, hey, I should do something. Maybe I should trade James Robinson. There's a certain type of trading arrogance that can be crafted within oneself where you believe any trade offer or any trade situation. You're going to be the one getting the better end of it. Yeah, I mean.

You win every trade that you make the minute after you make it. And that's just not actually the truth. Unless the poll that you throw on Twitter turns out the wrong way. Oh, yeah. Completely change your mind. Right. Which it is funny, the level of validation that can come in a, like in our League of Record, so many times somebody throws a trade, they do a trade, they're nervous? This is, one of the things of the League of Records, immediately you make the trade and then you go through.

I don't know why. Throw it on a poll. You go throw it on the poll to either validate what you have done or to shame the other person. Yeah, I mean, it's some psychological problems going on in most fantasy leagues. Or Jason and I, we've made trades in our Dynasty League and throwing them up on Twitter and let the people decide. And what's great is that people deciding, the league deciding.

No bearing whatsoever on how they play. It's irrelevant. But you feel like you won before you've seen anybody play or you've lost. And they go sideways. I mean, they go really, really sideways. We've seen teams do that as well. I've made plenty of bad moves. I do trade a lot, but people stop trading with me. So, Instagram question, Yoohoo, do you guys prefer? I love Yoohoo's. Six or four. Do you prefer Yoohoo's? Do you prefer Uhoo's or water?

You hoos? Do you want water or chocolate water? Let me think. Chocolate water, please. I used to love U-Hus. I literally had one on my drive back from Sandy. No, you did not. In the glass bottle, baby. You had a U-hoo? I did. I saw it. I was like, my vacation is not over yet. You can only get those at convenience stores that are stuck in the 90s. Right. It was in between Arizona and California. It was out in the middle of nowhere. I don't know. I looked everywhere on that thing for a date. I mean, I was like, I couldn't find what I'm like, well.

We're okay. There is. Chocolate water doesn't expire. There is a possibility, but I've never had a yu in my life. There's a possibility for a great moment for you. I don't know. Chocolate water really does not sound appetizing. I know you're very staunch and you're supportive. Could I have water or chocolate water? I'm like, I.

regular water, what sounds much better than chocolate water. Well, my belief there is more mocking what you who is. It's like a chocolate milk drink, except it's... Because it is. It's like a water. It's not dairy. There's no dairy in it. Yeah. And we did have cans of them in the studio once because we ordered them online and Jason drink a lot of them. I did. They were good. But I do prefer the glass bottle. Well, yeah, because glass bottle of anything is way better. Yeah.