The TRUTH About Fantasy QBs: Part 2 + Dynasty Mailbag - Fantasy Football Podcast for 1/20

in part one and today we're going to go from what 11 through as many as we can is that the goal here booksie yes sir um all right let's unpack you said it's a mess huh yeah it's a mess because truly we and i don't mean we as in the three of us i mean we as in everybody drafting everybody in the industry the average draft position of these quarterbacks going into the year they really did end up

darn accurate, the top 10 ADP, where the top 10 fantasy points per game scores. And the next tier, usually, usually this show is the exciting show. Usually this show is the one where it's like, here are the guys that you really want to look for as streaming candidates next year or whatever. I think most of the people we're going to talk about today, they might suck. Like, well, we'll see. Kirk Cousins.

kicks us off and he was great. My answer to the quick question was almost the Minnesota Vikings. Because Andy, if you remember when we first at our first run through of U.K. Stats. No, the stats, I projected the Minnesota Vikings defense to come back around and that they were going to run the ball a lot and not throw the ball much. But Kirk Cousins really impressed me this year. I had him outside of my top.

15 quarterbacks. And he was very good. Quarterback 11, consistency ranked quarterback 10 this year. Nine top 12 performances. Only 6% great games. So you didn't have those, you know, in the past, I think you had some of those Matthew Stafford versus Kirk Cousins battles, Detroit, Minnesota. You'd get number one, number two finish on the week. But 4,200 yards, 33 touchdowns, just seven interceptions. Did a lot of the damage even after Adam Thielen was hurt. And Thielen was great.

Did it without Dalvin Cook at times during the year. Pretty good consistent streaming quarterback, but you wouldn't have put him in the content to have started him every week, Cat on? No, I don't think so because he, you know, close. Close. You figure the, like, Jalen Hertz was a guy we talked about yesterday where he wasn't putting up 30 point performances, but he was always very solid. Kirk was.

Never had those big, you know, was one time in the top five at the position. So he was not really someone that was winning you weeks. He was mostly consistent, but then he did have, you know, pretty big letdown games, unlike Jalen Hertz or more commonly, you know, more often games at 15 points or so. Sure, but for someone drafted in the 14th as the, as the quarterback 19, I mean, if you were in, if you were in a deep league that.

and you waited on quarterback ended up with Kirk, certainly could have been a lot worse. But does the dynamics of this team change moving forward? And is Kirk even there to be a part of it? Because, you know, they're moving on from maybe what their, yeah, what their kind of identity has been, potentially.

Yeah, they have a lot of cap issues. They don't have a lot of room. They fired their GM and their head coach. So there is rumor from Minnesota that they might try to look to unload the $40 million man in Kirk Cousins. Yeah, I don't know if they would be able to or not, but going forward. I'd call the Saints.

Sure, yeah. I mean, call the Saints, call the teams you just mentioned, Carolina and Denver. I hope he does land in one of those spots. But in the meantime, assuming he is back with the Vikings, I feel like Justin Jefferson's enough. Isn't he enough to make Kirk Cousins great? With Delvin Cook, yeah, with a running game that actually functions. Sure. I mean, their problems were not.

because their offense wasn't good enough to get it done, I don't think. No, that was the ironic part is that the defensive head coach and Mike Zimmer, the defense is what failed the Vikings. Yeah, and they, you know, they dealt with injuries and other things, but you're right. It'll be interesting to see what happens in Minnesota. Somehow, some way Ryan Tannahill ends up number 12. This one is wild. I mean, this was a gross season. If I had started Ryan Tannahill any week.

Literally any week of the year, I would have been disappointed. Every week I started him other than week 18, which I don't play fantasy football in. I would have been sad that I started him every single week of the year. His consistency rank was 17. How is that even positive? These numbers can't be right. He can't be the 22nd most consistent in the first half and 21st most consistent in the second half and end at 17, can't be? Well, you have other people that are.

pushing the right in and above in different halves. Oh, and all the other filling quarterbacks. Exactly. So, yeah, I mean, this is what I'm talking about. Ryan Tannehill was the was a quarterback won this year. He finished the season as a QB1 and literally you're not wrong, Andy. You would be disappointed every single week that you played him. Do we have what he is by points per game? Because I feel like that truth needs to be said out loud.

Yeah, I mean, this is the truth episode. He busted 59% of time. He only had a great game 6% of time, which would be basically the one single game. You know, the thing is, is he didn't have a lot of the megabusts, right? He wasn't going out there and putting up three points in any wacky game. And so that kind of elevated him over the course of the season. It finishes QB12. But going into next year, I mean.

He dealt with injuries and yada, yada, but there was also a change with the offensive coordinator, and he just wasn't. Had Henry had some players at the beginning of the year and still didn't do it. Yeah, he wasn't that good. He was essentially the quarterback 15 in points per game. I'm not going to count Nick Foles in his one start. Okay. Yeah, I mean, his greatest quality for fantasy players this year was that he played every game. Yeah. And, you know, he's connected to a great wide receiver in the same way that

You know, Kirk Cousins, if he says in Minnesota, is connected to a great wide receiver, but more injury prone. I mean, AJ Brown has gone down time and time again. I just don't have any, I'm not chasing a resurgence from him. Yeah, I get that. I mean, this is clearly a team that needs to add to the wide receiver position. They thought they were doing that when they brought in Julio Jones. They said, we need another strong.

wide receiver, and they didn't have Julio Jones for the most part this year, certainly not the Julio Jones of yesteryear. So this offseason, I expect that they'll recognize that and say, we need to give him another viable weapon. And that could make me turn back towards Ryan Tannahill. I do think he's a good quarterback, but 3,700 passing yards. I mean, this year was 21 touchdown. Gross. Derek Carr came in at 13, consistency rank of 15.

Gross. Okay, I see where we're going. Zero great games on the year. 29% good, 53% bust. Yeah, but what about those first three weeks? He was a top 12 guy. Failed to have a three passing touchdown game all year. It's funny because I do feel like, is he doing the Jalen Hurts? He was a better quarterback in reality during their kind of run to make the playoffs at the end of the year. The connection with Hunter Renfro and Zay Jones.

And he was out of the top 20, almost every week to end the year. So 4,800 yards, 23 touchdowns. His most valuable weapon in the receiving game was Darren Waller. And he missed Darren Waller for a large chunk. His next most valuable receiver, and not to take anything away from Hunter Renfro, who's unbelievable, you could argue was Henry Ruggs, field stretcher, able to, you know, have the yak.

And when you lose both of those guys, which, you know, you look at those first three weeks, he was great. Well, he had all his weapons. I commend Derek Carr for doing more than I thought he would with the weapons he had. But, you know, that's what I'm talking about. Was anybody happy playing Derek Carr in single quarterback leagues? No. No. No. And I don't think many people did very often. Yeah, he wasn't. It seemed like he could be that guy at the beginning of the year. And the Raiders for our quick question, they were a team.

Not that I expected, you know, huge fantasy output. They were just, they were very interesting, though, of Josh Jacobs when your leadership goes out and gives a third down pass catching specialist a huge bag of money in Kenyon Drake and you bring him in. And then somehow Josh Jacobs becomes like the most steady fantasy force on this team, including their.

now involving him in the passing game. It was weird, and Waller was a complete letdown for where you drafted him, aside from week one. They were an upside down team in terms of what you thought you were getting. Yeah, and it didn't help that in the middle of the year you lose. You have all this turnover, your coach, your wide receiver. Now Mike Mayock, which we didn't talk about on the show, but he's gone, not surprisingly. Yeah, what are they going to do, man? Let's talk about Carson Winst real quick first. Okay.

thank today's sponsors. Oh, good. Wins. By the way, I did not see this. Is this a real quote from Booger McFarland? Oh, do we have a booger quote? When Kyler threw the pick six, he said what in the Carson Wins was that? That sounds right. I don't know if it's true, but I like it. I think more people played Carson Wins than they would have played Derek Carr. There were more people that would have bought into certain weeks. And like Carson fit the streaming dynamic well where you could try to predict a matchup. You saw some ceiling.

Number five finish against the Buccaneers and against the Jets, top 12 finishes and four other games. So you saw some signs of life, but you never got a great game, which is over 26 fantasy points, and you barely got a good game. And now, you know, it's like, is Carson going to be a starter anywhere anymore? Yeah, I mean, he very well might not have a job. Chris Ballard did not seem...

confident in keeping Carson Wentz, even though they paid a first rounder for him. The nice thing about Carson Wentz was when you're talking about these guys in the streaming category, he performed better against the bottom teams. He performed better at home. So the matchups are where you would go, I think I can play him this week because he's got a good matchup. He's at home. He's favored, yada, yada. Those are the weeks he did come through.

You know, once we're to this level, and the next two guys are far more interesting for fantasy purposes. But when you're at the Carson Wentz level, that's really what you want. You want like an easy, predictable guy who's not just, you know, who beats up on easy defenses because you're not going to play him week in and week out. Incredibly, he was the QB7 from week five through 12. So again, that's a stretch there, but there was a stretch where he was the top 10 guy. The Carson Wentz next year carries a $15 million dead cap.

So it's hard to see moving on that the Colts would just flat out cut him. I don't know that you're going to be able to trade him after he was just traded for a first-run pick. I think he'll be their quarterback. Yeah. I think they're coming down off of this Jacksonville loss and they're angry and they're issuing public statements about how sorry they are. And everybody's guilty. Everybody's at fault for that loss. Right. And the reality is.

they want to replace Carson Wins and they probably can't. Like, just getting rid of someone that's not great doesn't do you any good if you can't replace them with someone better. And, you know, for better or worse, Carson Wins is an average quarterback. So it's very difficult to upgrade. There was a time I was very, very jealous of the Philadelphia Eagles and the fact that they had stumbled upon Carson Wins where they didn't really stumble. I mean, they didn't really stumble.

They did a full send to get him. They, well, okay, stumbled is wrong. He was the number two pick and it was in contrast to golf. So you thought about it and you were like, man, you know, they should have taken wins and golf, you know, doesn't look good. And I was just jealous of having that foundational piece, but things change quick. And Foot Clan, before we move into the rest of the quarterbacks, want to thank today's sponsor, Wealthfront. Look, ladies and gentlemen, we all have regrets sometimes.

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