Fantasy Football - The TRUTH: QBs Part 2 + Coaching Crazyness, Divisional Recap - Podcast for 1/20

Eric Bien of me is the new offensive coordinator or the returning offensive coordinator for the chiefs. So he went from like head coaching candidate and star offensive coordinator with the chiefs to one year of disaster in Washington to being, I think, out of the league. Nobody wanted him. And now returns to be kind of a sidekick for Andy Reid on the offensive side. I mean, that's kind of what all of these coordinators have been. They've lost multiple offensive coordinators over the years. All to great success. Matt Nagy. Yeah, right. Yeah, the enemy. Kind of reminds me of when teams, when coaches would leave Belichick. Right. Yeah. Like McDaniels and Charlie Weiss and Romeo Crenel. Those were all superstars until they didn't have the Tom Brady. Okay. I think that's it for news. Are you recovered yet from the Green Bay defeat? I'll check in with you. I'm as recovered as I'm going to get.

Yeah. So I'm doing a lot better. We noticed the Bears fans recovered quickly. I got a text this morning that was like, this is the funnest year I've ever had in football after they lost. So they recovered with a standard of like, we're not normally here. We're just happy to be here. What a magical season. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They were all like, yeah, that's cool. I had a great time. I'm glad they're not giving up their acceptance of loss. You, on the other hand, you have a higher standard. Right? You want Lombardies. That's right. All right, well, we've got more truth for you. You want answers? I think I'm entitled. You want answers. I want the truth. You can handle the truth. I think I can handle it. I think I can handle the truth. You don't think I can handle the truth? Not according to that drop. We are going to talk about a few more quarterbacks today. This is more of the opportunity for us to. We got through the top 10 on the last episode. Talk about a handful of other players. And also talk about just in general, I think,

the principle of streaming the quarterback position, what kind of consistency we saw from some of these players that finished at the end of the year outside the top 10, but maybe we're more consistent in their opportunities that they had. One of our stats that we talk about every year is how many different NFL quarterbacks finished as top 12 quarterbacks on a given week. And we've done this every year. And we got real close to setting a record. 2021 was the record. 49 different quarterbacks in 2021 had a top 12 week, which is insane. Every year we, like I know it's in the 40s every year and it always makes me giggle because there's 32 teams and we're not just talking like played football, but you finished the week as one of the best fantasy scores at the position. Yep, there are, there were a lot of Marcus Marioita situations where somebody just got it done when they started. This year the number is 47.

This includes Russell Wilson. This includes Davis Mills, who, by the way, was the quarterback one overall in week 10. And the Russ. Russ was the quarterback too. After looking, week one, I don't think it could have gone worse for Russ. And then it was, okay, sweet, we're done with this. Let's move to Jackson Dart. And it was the Cowboys? I feel like, it was the Cowboys. Yeah, it was the Cowboys where he could go figure. They were like, oh, crap. Who's Russell going to get? No, no, that was just the Cowboys, everybody. False alarm. James Winston had a QB1 week. Chador Sanders had a QB2 week. Mitchell Trubisky had a QB1 week. Mitchell Trubisky is actually really interesting in the discussion around, like people want to talk about Malik Willis in the offseason. Mitch Trubisky was a pro bowler, okay? And he's been excellent behind Josh Allen. Snoop Huntley was a pro bowler. That means so little.

I just think that there are, when you watch what gets started at the quarterback position in the NFL sometimes? Yeah, I mean. Like Spencer Rattler? Mitchell Trubisky is a better quarterback than Chodor Sanders. Yes. That's, that's all I'm saying. Yeah, but not good enough to be a started. 62 different quarterbacks made a start this year. We have 32 teams. We have 62 different quarterbacks that started. And we got about 10 good ones. Yeah, Max Brosmer did not make the list of the 47. Oh, man. So we want to look beyond the season. Legend. Max Brosmer is a legend. We talked about Alan May, Stafford, Lawrence, Dak, Caleb, Bonix, Hertz, Goff, and Herbert on the last episode. Why not start out with the legend, the living legend, the newly surgically repaired legend? Patrick Mahomes comes in at 11, and yet his consistency rank is three. And again,

Consistency is our compilation of how many great games over 26 points at the quarterback position, good games over 21, and bus games more than 15 or fewer than 15 points. When Mahomes played this year, 57% of the games he played were good. 43% was great. That's the real change for Mahomes. Over the last couple of years, he hasn't been the big Bada Boom guy. You know. accumulating enough stats over the course of the season to be a quarterback one you know most every time but not winning you weeks and to start this season he was absolutely excellent in fact the first half he was the number one inconsistency was very very good obviously dealt with injuries to his team down the stretch scooting he was running way way way more yeah and that's the real issue with the so he he tore his ACL and his LCL

The current projection is that he's hopeful to be ready for week one, but ready for week one will not include scrambling the way that he was. He was their number one running back. And so honestly, the truth is with... They should get Ken Walker. Yeah. Oh, ho ho. They get easy over there. I genuinely believe that the chiefs, one of their primary focuses this offseason needs to be the running back position. They can't, like Pacheco's never looked the same since he broke his leg. Cream Hunt is too old and they had no running game to speak of. Their running game was Mahomes. He is not going to be able to do that to the same capacity, certainly not to start the season next year. And there's, they've been like in the rumor meal the last two years. That sounds like a rumor meal and I'm interested. I'm very interested. They're eating them rumors up. Yeah. Nom, nom, nom, nom.

Today's rumor meal brought to you by Jason's cafeteria. That's a good segment. We should start the rumor meal. Oh, that's not bad. It's the off season. I'm going to start working on a rumor meal thing. You got a main course rumor. I got it. Right? You got a dessert rumor. Oh, the dessert rumors are the sweetest. You got a veggie rumor. That one sucks. I'm hearing things about cheeseburgers guys. Oh, for lunch. Big Ben would be interested. Cheeseburger. But the last couple years. You know, they were talked about when CMC was on the trading block. They brought in running backs to look at in the draft and the way that everything just fell. Brassard Smith's the only running back under contract. Yeah, so. It's going to be new blood there for Kansas City. And they need some new blood. I think Mahomes will need a running game and then presuming that they lose Travis Kelsey, which.

I don't think that's a done deal by any means, but his health meter will be lower regardless if he comes back. I would put it on the 51% side that Travis Kelsey is not back. Then, I mean, when Mahomes is slinging it to Kyle Pitts, you know, my, it's going to be awesome. My son, my son brought up, I thought, an interesting rumor meal, a little nibble. And it was the reunification of Mahomes. Tyreek and Kelsey for one more run. Because they're in desperate need of more help in the offensive weapons. Veteran minimums. Yeah. And Tyreek is, you know, he's going to be going. So they should reunite with young explosive athletes. Well, that would be helpful too. Maybe ones that are not so they don't take as many chances off the field as well. I think they've got a wide receiver type here in Kansas City, though.

Yeah. They like those off the field trouble guys. Maybe if you run fast, you drive fast. I don't know. I must run. Addison runs fast. That means Jason runs fast. It all blows up. Yeah, never mind. The other thing that stood out to me on Mahomes is just like he struggled against top defenses. 7.6 fancy points differential between top and bottom defenses. So he did struggle this year against those. He was pretty good home in a way. didn't have Rashi Rice for six weeks. Really, from the point that Xavier Worthy was hurt, kind of didn't have Xavier Worthy either. I don't know how much the shoulder sling, like we didn't talk about it a lot because the heavy investment on Worthy, it wasn't there for fantasy. But I mean, I don't remember hearing his name after the injury, really. No, he was. And before he had some, you know, he was more involved. You look at the end of the season, his last month of games, he never had a game with more than four targets.

It's just a bit player. So, yeah, the next name on the list is the last thing noticing of like, because it was, the season was much better. People should be aware that he was really juicing things with, with his rushing ability. But you're now looking at three straight years. Mahomes, 23, his touchdown percentage was four and a half percent. That's like barely above league average. Next year, four and a half, and then this year, 4.4. Like, they, they really need to do something about this. Like, when Patrick Mahomes is an average touchdown throwing quarterback, you, it's, like, that sucks. That's awful for the NFL. Didn't he Kyle Pitts? Oh my gosh. That's their, that's the answer. Where, what teams do you have Kyle Pitts on? What is this propaganda? Our main dynasty league. Okay. There it is. I beat them.

There it is. Go to Kansas City, Cal. There it is. There's something there. When you think of the elite of the league. That's 100% what it is. And you know what? That's okay. Thank you. That's all right. Yeah, there's a reason I said Ken Walker to Kansas City. We're only human. We're only rooting. I mean, this is the rooting season. We don't have a team to root for. Let's root for our players. But you look at the elite quarterbacks in football. Like, Burrow and Stafford have. the best receivers in the game to throw to. But Lamar, Allen, and Mahomes don't. Right. I mean, those are three of the top quarterbacks, and their teams haven't been able to put that player on that team. They have been able to put that player on the team when they had a rookie contract. Yeah, when it was Diggs and Tyreek. And they were way better. Well, Lamar's never had it. That's true. But, yeah, I mean, Mark Andrews was awesome.

Yeah, he was. He was awesome, but not, I mean, man. It's hard to pay for top tier wide receivers when you've got one of the, you know, top five highest paid quarterbacks just is. Unless you're the Dodgers. All right. Baker Mayfield. They are paying for quarterbacks now, too. Oh, yeah. They just signed Lionel Messi, actually. Lifetime deal. And bought Greenland. Baker Mayfield, number 12, on our list. 30 years old, oof, this was a bad season. He was an MVP candidate for the first six weeks. His consistency ranked, though, 23. That is unplayable. You know what his consistency score is without looking on our website? I will remind you that in the prior two years. Previous 17 games. He was an A. I'm guessing you have a 17. He never missed a game. Are we talking D? It's an F. Oh, no, that's even worse. Yeah. That means failing. He was.

I mean, six percent great, 18 percent good, 41 percent bust. And, I mean, he lost Evans for a majority of the season. But, you know, it seemed like everything was going to go great for six weeks. They were winning ball games. Last second drives. Abuka was a revelation. Macabuca was, had been moved to the 101 for rookie drafts. Yeah, that hasn't, that's not that way. No, no. That's not that way. No, it's not. which really sucks. But, you know, he just fell off a cliff. And then they decided they were going to bring back Todd Bowles, right? They fired Grisard, which means that Baker will now have another new offensive coordinator for the zillionth time. They needed to. Well, yeah, that gives me more hope than keeping him. Yeah. But the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are like...

This is the poster child here for why on this show, or like, your head coach should be your offense. Because when you have a good offensive coordinator, that guy just gets poached and turns into a coach for a different team. And then you're back into it of, I sure hope the next OC we bring in is as good. And they, like, when Canales left, it was like, oh, no, oh, no. But they hit. They got Liam Cohen's success. You're rewarded for that hit? Is that guy goes and gets a head coaching job? Remember they had agreed doing a deal with Liam Cohen and then he snuck out on a plane? Yeah. Kind of snakeed him. Oh, man. Duval. Let me give me the numbers though for. But he won now. It wasn't just Grazard though. Baker played bad. Yeah. I would say especially the second half of the year. We know he was dealing with some injuries. Last year, 71% completion percentage for 4,500 yards and 41 touchdowns. A 7.2 touchdown rate.

This year, 63% completion percentage, 26 touchdowns, a 4.8% completion rate. And, you know, this was a debate in the offseason. Could he repeat what he did? The answer was no. He went back to what he was the first year in Tampa Bay. Feels so much better for Trevor Lawrence hearing those numbers. I was going to say that. That is a huge Liam Cohen testimony. Now he had lost Canales after the first year, and you're like, oh, could he still have a good year? He had a better year. So we'll see what happens there. But this was an unplayable late-round pick that seemed like he was discount. To me, he seemed like he was going to be discount Burrow. Turned out he was not valuable at all. I mean, the first six weeks of the year, if you played him, you were happy. But beyond that, farewell. But he's played with Haley, Monkin, Van Pelt, Macadu and McVeigh, Canales, Cohen, and Grisard, and now has a new offensive coordinator again.

And I don't think he's going to be in contention for any sort of late round draft pick this year. It'll be a prove-it policy for fantasy players next year. I just, I'm really looking forward to the surgery information on what was ailing him this year and what off-season procedure he got done. You think it's coming? I hope. I hope it's coming. You know, it's one of those like, there's got to be something because it's the, like, I don't hope he gets hurt. no i hope that he was exactly yeah exactly i love baker too much to be like he was like there was a bullet top shape there was a bullet lodged in his quad that they hadn't removed until now preferably the shoulder i'd take quad but i would want something in the shoulder because the shoulders what went right he was telling like there's a bullet lodged in it especially when he threw to buca i mean that that that was crazy he it was like the yips when he

Targeted Ibuka. He transformed into CJ Stroud for all of those targets. It's just like closes its eyes and hopes. Gross. We'll take another break. We'll talk Jackson Dart. This episode is supported by prize picks, whether you're starting a new routine or making picks for the first time. Trying something new, well, that can be difficult. But in life and on prize picks, it always feels good to be right. I'm talking to Papa Josh here. It always feels good to be more right than Papa Josh. Look, prize picks now has early payouts. I just found out about this. If your player gets off to a hot start, you've got the option now to cash out on those winnings before the game even finishes. And they have a social feeds feature. You can share your prize picks with your friends. You can copy lineups from winners with one click. My only rule is you don't follow or accept friend requests.

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Had a consistency rank of 13. Now, Jason, we don't consider his missing injured games, right? Correct. So he does not get punished for those. It's just the percentage of games he plays. Just for the consistency rank, right? Correct. Okay. Because his fantasy finish was 13 then. And that's cumulative, including injured games. Am I right about that? So if you play in the game and you leave, then it counts. If you miss the game. Yeah, exactly, because you got started. But on the high level rank, not just the consistency rank? Like he's 13 in our list. Yeah, that's just total fantasy points scored on the year. That's what I meant. Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah. So 50% good games, 21% great, 29% bust, went through the transition at the, you know, head coach position, Brian Dable getting fired. Lost Malik neighbors to a torn ACL in week four. Lost Cam Scataboo, his main man in week eight with the ankle fracture and dislocation. I would love to have the post-mortem thoughts on Jackson Darts season because I, obviously there was a lot of excitement, there was a lot of production, then there was a lull.

Then we ended stronger. How about taking a shot at where he finishes next year? Try that out for size. So I am, my chips are all in on Jackson Dart. I think that he is. Because of how he spells his name. Because he's so cool. Because of the X. Do you know he has a brother? What's his brother's name? Diesel. His brother's name is Diesel? Diesel Darkson and diesel? Yeah. Jackson with an X. I found out about that and I was like, okay, parents, calm down. I wouldn't be surprised if they spelled diesel with a Z. I don't think he could have been drafted if his name was diesel. It's like just, what are we doing? This, then you have kids with unique names. Yeah. You didn't go diesel and it's, but it's like it's because of the alliteration. Yes. It is. It is very intense. It's so intense. And he looks a lot like his brother. But he'll diesel.

Come over here. Those are two really aggressive names. Go on. But I'm in because he has the running superpower that we love for fantasy football. 487 and 9 this year. He averaged 41 rushing yards per game and starts. That is the fifth best among rookie quarterbacks ever. And then last year, among 38 qualifying quarterbacks with 200 or more dropbacks. So guys who are actually getting some volume throwing the ball. He was tied for fourth in fantasy points per dropback. So you had Alan, Lamar, Brock Purdy, and then there was Dart and Drake Main. They were tied. And he was doing all of this where Wondale Robinson was his number one guy. And that's not dunking on Wondale. Like Wondale is a good piece of an offense. He's not Malik neighbors. Like when you have a guy that you, when Malik is back and fully healthy, that will be a question of the off season.

But you have an elite wide receiver. You could throw the ball at him 10 plus times a week and then figure out the rest. I'm just, I'm super excited that it wasn't just run. This wasn't Justin Fields here, right? When Justin Fields had his breakout, it was like 60% of his points were coming from rushing. Like DART is a good pocket passer as well as someone who's going to run. We do need him to protect himself though. He kind of has, I mean, there's a pretty easy. off-season argument that we're going to have on Jackson Dart, which is all of the stuff that you just said, combined with the return of his weapons and whatever weapons they draft. I mean, they could take somebody like Jordan Tyson and pair them with Malik neighbors. And I'm super, I'm excited for Theo Johnson. And yeah, Theo's good. I'm looking at their opponents for next year. I was curious what division they play in the AFC. It's going to be the South. So it's Colts, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Texans, that group.

You got hardball coming in. I mean, this is your lay up, high upside, exciting pick of next year. He'll be drafted that way. He will. That'll be the issue. Six round? No, I think he'll be fifth round. I worry he's a fourth round. If he's in the fifth round, I'll be taking him, no problem. Look at when he started, you know, really going. And like you said, Mike, loses Malik neighbors, had a ton of these games where also lost Cam Skadaboo. You know, not good for the offense. He was playing with a hodgepodge group. And from week six on, which is really when he got started, he was very, very good. You're talking about he was the quarterback four in points per game, scoring identically to Josh Allen, 20.6 fantasy points per game. I mean, you give him more weapons another year in the system. I agree in part on the, he's a good pocket passer.

I think he's very inconsistent in there. I saw a lot of stuff we got away with and felt like, like remember Nick Foles? Yes, the magic season. The magic season where it was like he should have thrown 20 picks instead he threw none. Yeah. This is just like everybody. I felt like there was a lot of that with Jackson Dart, but he was a rookie. I expect him to get better at that. And Harbaugh carries enough weight that I think he will hopefully cut down on the concussions. For Jackson Dart, you know, he'll be like... Because then he might listen to him. Right. It might listen to him. Like he's got the authoritative... Yeah. Look, it's... You want that... You want to tell the line. I think Baker does it. Right? Like, Baker takes risk. He runs with a reckless abandoned, but doesn't seem to get hurt. Like you... You're not Josh Allen size-wise. You're not Cam Newton sizewise. You can't do... I don't think he's even... I don't know if he's close to Baker's way, but Baker just looks like a...

Baker looks sturdier than Dar-Tustin. I mean, Jaden runs, and now he doesn't play. So it is tough. And you can. You can run. He's played that way his whole life. You can run. Well, yeah, he's played that way. Learn to slide and learn to run out of bounds. Because he's been the best athlete on the field for most of his life, and that is no longer the truth. If you need a first down in a playoff game, you're allowed to go for. Yeah. And with Monkin coming in. You know, is that confirmed or everything I saw was just like, he's probably coming with Harbaugh. I think it is more of that. I don't think the contract has been signed yet as of this moment. But. Yeah, Kyle's saying it's not fully official. Yeah, it's a possibility. Harbaugh's quote as we'll see. Can't really say right now he's interviewing Tuesday for the Brown's head coaching job. There are a lot of balls still up in the NFL. That's for sure. But say if it is Monkin, that's Monkin's.

got a good offense for fantasy football yeah balls so he oh he's bigger than baker he just but he doesn't he know what i mean he looks thin he looks thin and it's youth he doesn't have old man he just got old man strength yeah he's just a youthful baker-sized he's not grizzled you know what i mean you got to get grizzled like you like baker looks like he's got the hands of a mechanic you know what i mean he's just grizzled yeah Jackson Dart is like a pretty boy. Baker Mayfield grows a beard in four hours. Yeah. Jackson Darry's never grown a beard. Baker Mayfield just can take... Give me five more pounds, Jackson. Baker Mayfield can take a tray out of an oven, no mitt. Right. Oh, yeah. He just, he just grabs it. He's got motor oil on his hands at all times. I don't know if Dart can grow a beard yet. That's what I said. I don't think so. He's still trying to do one of those whispery mustaches.

Who'd had one of those? Jason O'Connell, Josh Allen? Josh Allen's had it before. Look. If I can see all the skin in between every hair on your upper lip, you don't have a mustache. You know who doesn't have that mustache? Old Pittsburgh Steelers, master of disguise, Mesa Taylor with the thickest mustache we've ever seen. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. No, Jackson Dart is going to be very exciting. I want to just give you numbers. like how these players finished as I run through the other names so that you're aware out there of how they did. Sam Darnold was 14 in fantasy points, but 27 in consistency. Yeah, the second half really got away. Yeah, 32 over the second half. He was unplayable. He had so many bust games. 50% of the time he was busting. Josh, Jordan Love, number 15, consistency rank of 22. Dear goodness.

Jacoby Brissette was 16. Consistency rank of 21. Daniel was number 18. RIP Daniel. Consistency rank of 14. We missed him. Yeah, that was... So did the Colts. They fell off a cliff. That was so sad. You had a team that looked like they were in it for the Super Bowl. Number one record. They go and they add to their number one seed team. Yeah, they were... They played fantasy. They did what I would have done. Don't make the playoffs. Trade all my pigs for somebody good. Bryce Young at 19, consistency rank of 19 really wasn't a fantasy factor very often. Lamar Jackson finished at 20. He's worth a brief conversation. Consistency rank was 16 for him. And again, that takes the injury games out. He had a 46% bust rate. What was the first injury? So Lamar never looked.

like Lamar from week 11 on to me ever this not not one game I would say from week four on it was it was the hand yes he had the hamstring because but it was the throwing fire the first three oh my gosh he started the year it was just like what we saw last year where it's like oh this is the MVP he's going to throw for 40 touchdowns and 4,000 yards and rush for 800 yards was nine passing touchdowns and through the first three weeks and then gets injured misses never the same no never the same No, and it is a little, that one's going to hang over his head a little bit for me going into next year in the inverse reason that we're excited about Jackson Dart. You lost your head coach. You lost your offensive coordinator. So you're going to have a change in those positions. If you don't bring in more personnel, you know, look, all due respect is Aflowers. You're good. But likely as a free agent, Andrews is getting older. Derek Henry is getting older. I need a reason to believe that Lamar can.