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Christmas bells ambush the opening on November 1. One host refuses approval, Mike is explicitly delighted, an unnamed Deucer admits installing the drop but rejects the holiday, and the supporters are identified as Mike and Jason. At shutdown, Mike is told to hit the bells and the result is called a two-thirds victory.
A dedicated Hungry for More drop opens a segment in which the desk presents this week's candidates, beginning with Gus Edwards before the other hosts nominate Terry McLaurin and Will Levis.
An orange-juice audit leads an unlabeled host to describe his nearly 70-year-old father as an iron-stomached beast who wakes at one or two in the morning, fills a tall glass with orange juice, houses it, and returns directly to bed despite the implied reflux danger.
Mike is introduced as the League of Record's highest-scoring manager and thanks the desk for highlighting it. The lead is then revealed as roughly two points, turning pride into shame and disappointment before his previously quiet success is declared loud.
After one strong Will Levis game, the hosts refuse to turn Banana Rama from insult into celebration without multiple weeks of proof. They recall the source material: Levis ate a banana with its peel, drank coffee with mayonnaise, and struggled to see pressure on college tape.
The midseason rankings begin with the Reviewosaurus Rex audio cue. The hosts call it a drop from a long, long time ago and date it jokingly to the Cretaceous before entering the review.
An unlabeled host says managers will be happy when De'Von Achane 'rips a long one.' The desk immediately hears bathroom language, compares it to Chipotle, and later deliberately repeats the phrase while discussing whether a knee injury can hold him back.
One unlabeled manager resents another for acquiring Breece Hall in the League of Record. The acquiring manager confirms sacrificing Justin Jefferson's keeper future to play for the current season and already regrets it; the desk notes that Jefferson had only been traded once before, also to repair a major injury for a win-now run.
When the Raiders' interim offensive coordinator name is missing, the hosts announce that three producers are available, order all of them to look it up quickly, and say to scream when somebody finds it. The producer-area answer arrives as a phonetic name correction.
Christmas bells interrupt the opening on November 1. One unlabeled host objects, Mike is explicitly delighted, a Deucer admits putting the drop on the board, and the pro-Christmas side is identified as Mike and Jason; the close restarts the bells and calls the result a two-thirds decision. The episode also establishes Hungry for More as a recurring turn in which each host nominates a player or offense whose next chapter they want. A sponsor transition into orange juice produces a film-ready family story: an unlabeled host's nearly 70-year-old father has an iron stomach, wakes at one or two in the morning, houses a tall glass of orange juice, and returns to bed while the desk wonders whether he sleeps standing up. When the Raiders' interim coordinator name is missing, the hosts tell all three unnamed producers to race the lookup and scream the answer when they find it; Kyle later supplies a live PFF ranking without an audible standalone reply. League of Record gives Mike a brief triumph and immediate deflation: he is the highest-scoring manager, but only by about two points, prompting gratitude, disappointment, and the claim that his quiet success is now loud. Will Levis may earn the Banana Rama drop only after more than one good game; the hosts explicitly recall that the name was an insult tied to eating a banana with the peel and drinking coffee with mayonnaise, plus his college trouble seeing pressure. The midseason review begins with the ancient Reviewosaurus Rex cue, said to date back a very long time—possibly the Cretaceous. De'Von Achane's big-play outlook creates an accidental phrase about ripping a long one, immediately compared to Chipotle and then repeated as a knee-injury joke. The deepest personal fantasy consequence is an unlabeled League of Record exchange: one manager traded away keeper-era Justin Jefferson to obtain Breece Hall for the current run, admits regret, and is reminded that Jefferson had only moved once before under a similar injury-driven win-now logic. Brooksie closes the show with a direct 'Shut her down,' but the Christmas bells override the shutdown.
It's halfway through the season, and we are looking at the top 10 quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers, and tight ends telling you who's going to fall out, who to target for the second half breakout and going through a ton of news. Make sure you subscribe and enjoy. To the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. It's Christmas time. Yeah. I did not approve this. Oh my gosh, Mike. Yeah. You just made me so happy. That is. I didn't know this was coming. I got 50 more seconds of these bells. 50 more seconds of Christmas bell. Everyone's tuning out. Nope. It's not Christmas time. It is for me. Ducers. Are you in on this? I put the drop on his board. So you're in on November 1st Christmas? No. No, no. I was just playing a long bit, no. And you don't have to be. You don't have to be, but you can't take it away from me and Jason. Yeah.
I just prefer maximum joy for a smaller amount of time than minimum joy for a longer amount of time. So what you can do is have maximum amount for longer. November 1st, welcome in the fantasy footballers. It's Merry Christmas to the Raider fans today. Oh, that's true. You got three presents under the tree. Or maybe three lumps of coal for those three gentlemen. Josh McDaniels? Sayonora. Their offensive coordinator, Lombardi, gone. You need a general manager. There's one available. The Raiders have fired theirs. And Devonty Adams has been named interim head coach, GM, play caller. This is great. It's great news. It's outstanding. Is it outstanding? You think, like, I, from the point of view of, like,
These people should not have been in charge of an NFL franchise. That part is great that we, Raiders fans get to move on because these should not have been the people running your team. But your owner has now been doing this for a very long time. Do you actually have confidence that Davis is going to make a good decision? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not at all. All right. No, this is not a confidence in this is. This is removing the cancer. Yeah. It's like you're in a situation where you were 31st in yards per game and 31st in points per game. It might not get better, but it can't really get worse. It definitely can't. No, no, no, no it can't. No, I mean, Devante Adams this last week had one catch for 11 yards. This is such good. Look, I have Josh Jacobs and Adams everywhere. I'm thrilled.
That tells you where I'm at. Okay. I am so excited. They're moving Aiden O'Connell as to the quarterback position. He is a gun slinger. He's going to make tons of mistakes. Start all your defenses against them. But he's going to, he's just young enough to completely listen to anything Devante Adams tells him to do. This is great news. Let's see. Because he played, so in week four, Aiden O'Connell was the quarterback. And see, Adams had 13 targets was 8 for 75. So, yeah. I mean, that's acceptable. And your offensive coordinator has been swapped out. You literally had Josh Jacobs just saying, like, I can't do anything. I'm not the one who decides what to do on offense. To me, it is, it is some hope. Not for the team, but for fantasy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, the team has had no hope for 20 years. Going down the drain. But.
Yeah, this is very, very good news. And O'Connell, I think he can get it done. I mean, at least for fantasy purposes. And that's all we're caring about here. I definitely believe this is an upgrade. I am excited about that. We got a lot of news to talk about, but first. Welcome to Hungry for More, presented by Uber Eads. Well, we have our Hungry for More candidates this week. I'm going with Gus Edwards running back for the Baltimore Ravens. It's been a difficult world for the running back room in Baltimore for multiple years dealing with the Lev Bells and Devont of Freeman's. And what was it, Latavius Murray, right? He was he was part of Baltimore. Probably. Drake London or not Drake, Kenyon Drake, Kenyon Drake is in and out of that roster. JK Dobbins injuries for multiple years.
I think you finally have a little bit of confidence and clarity. Like Justice Hill's involvement and opportunities are not that high. Gus Edwards, three touchdowns last week. He's got 13 red zone carries in the last three weeks. It's one of those, the doubts that you have with the rushing quarterback is that they're going to get those opportunities. You know, you guys brought up yesterday. Lamar had a bad week because they had three rushing touchdowns. Like that's not a given for a rushing quarterback that they're going to hand the ball off in the red zone. but they've been doing it. And, you know, they play Seattle. Then they play Cleveland, they pay Cincinnati at home. Gus Edwards, I think you're going to get 15 plus opportunities here on out. I'm hungry for more. Of that sweet, Gus Bus. My hungry for more player is Scary Terry, Terry McLaurin. He has been heating up. Two weeks in a row, he's a top 20 wide receiver. The last three weeks, he has a 26% target share.
And my favorite part about what happened at the trade deadline is that the Washington commanders said, hey, let's go crazy. Let's just, let's trade away our really good defensive line and make sure that we can't win games, but we're going to be in a lot of shootouts. And I think Sam Howell will be throwing the ball nonstop. I mean, right now Washington ranks number two in pass rate over expectation. Their defense is going to be worse. And if Terry McClorn is kind of establishing himself as he should, as that 26% target share, the pie is growing, his opportunity is there, his talent is there. I'm really excited to see what he can do in an offense that has to play catch up to a bad defense. I think by implication, you could toss a hungry for more Sam Hal, hungry for more John Dotson, hungry for more Logan Thomas.
And even a player I picked up on waivers, Jameson Crowder, who had a 20-point fantasy week, who Curtis Samuel's foot is hurt. So monitor that, seven targets. I think you're right. I think the commander's defense is going to be one to target. If you have an offensive player on the other side, but then that means Sam Hal can live fun and fancy free. I'll jump in and I'm hungry for more. Bananas, give me. Will Levis. I couldn't believe this was the name you had in this segment. Why am I hungry for more Will Levis? Because of Derek Henry. It has nothing to do with Will Levis. You're saying Will Levis provides a path for Hopkins and Henry? That is the point. That is the hope. Much like the Raiders, we have some hope moving forward for the offense. Maybe things can be fixed. Maybe things can be fixed for the Tennessee Titans because they were broken.
with Ryan Tanyhill as the quarterback. And this team, I think, like, even when Tanyhill is healthy, assuming Levis doesn't fall on his face in the next few weeks, they're going to find out if he is the guy. And we will all find out if he's the guy. Like, we got, like, Derek Henry's best, let me confirm it, but I'm pretty sure it was Derek Henry's best snap share of the year because they were actually winning. So second best, second best, but we had 22 carries. We hadn't seen over 13 carries in a few weeks. So it was great to see a positive game script. Now, can he actually be that guy? We will find out he completed only 36% of his passes when he was under pressure. So teams will figure that out and they will start putting pressure onto him. But it's just, it's nice to see a path where a defense actually has to be worried that Will Levis is going to go deep. I think I just got word.
T.G. Watt is, quote, hungry for Will Levis. Yeah. Oh, I believe it. So we're going to, look, Thursday night, right? Yeah, this matchup is so interesting to me because it's two great head coaches with two bad teams that still win games. That's fair. And the secondary for Pittsburgh is bad, but the pass rush with T.J. Watt is good. So we'll see it on display right away. Yep. And I get it. Hopkins seemed maybe dead when Tannenhill went down. Yeah. Because you thought you were getting Willis and then, you know, Malik Willis and some combination of ineptitude. And that was not what we got from Willis. So that was hungry for more presented by Uber Eats. Get almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. An offensive line? No. No. A carton of OJ?
Yeah. Yeah, you could do that. Order now on the app. Product availability may vary by region. See the app for details. News and notes from around the league. Presented by USAA Insurance. Are you guys, are you OJ drinkers? I love some absolute no pulp orange juice. But are, do you order it? Like, do you get it on the regular? Yeah, well, if I go out to like a breakfast restaurant, yeah. Well, not at the house. I have it at the house in the fridge right now. Yeah, I guess I'm just an OJ drinker. I drink it home. I drink it at restaurants. I'll go through. What's in your mug right now? Oh my gosh, I have orange juice. No, this is. I just feel like we forget to get it. And it's delicious. It's, but I feel like I had it a lot as a kid and I don't have a lot of orange juice. It's very, very good.
He's told with sugar, though. Yeah, it's a ton of sugar. And like old man stomach over here, like right in the morning, let's just put, let's just like the highest pH of acid we can put right in the tummy. Can I say something about my father who has, he's the proverbial iron stomach and does not care. He's 70 years old now or about to be. He will regular get up in the middle of the night. I'm talking like one, two in the morning. He wakes up. Just wet his whistle? He'll go. he will go out into the kitchen and he will fill up a tall glass of orange juice and he will house it in the middle of the night and just go back to bed because he's like you know you know what I need right now reflux acid he doesn't I don't know how he does it just does he sleep standing up I mean when he tells me this I'm like I'm like about to be 40 I'm like I could not touch OJ at night
And my dad is just putting down a whole glass just as a casual midnight glass of OJ. What a beast. I know. I know. It's crazy. All right. Into the news we go. We talked about the Raiders firing everyone. The interim head coach will be Antonio Pierce, who was a former Giants linebacker. And I don't have the name in front of me of their interim offensive coordinator. It sounds like Herba tree, Herba something. Give me the name over there. We got three producers that can quickly look this name up. Just scream it when you find it, okay? But they are, they've been terrible. I mean, Beau Hartagree. It's not a herb, it's hard agree. There you go. Sampsonate. It's a quarterback coach. Aiden O'Connell expected to start. I look at Aiden O'Connell as the best option for that team, willing to throw the football down field, look great in the preseason. Mike just brought up the numbers for Adams.
They were, but also in that week for Jacoby, terrible. Yeah, I mean. That's the big, that's my concern is like, it was watching, watching Jimmy play this week. He's, you know, he had a really bad injury. Like a, we think that something might be catastrophically wrong. I believe he went to the hospital after the injury. And then when we got the message, it was no. Thankfully, it's not nearly as bad as it could have been. Like, we had a couple games where Jimmy was, you know, supporting both Adams and Jacoby Myers. Aiden O'Connell, it might be fine in dandy for Devante Adams. But I can't imagine that, like, if you have both, both him and Jacoby, on a weekly basis, going to have a good output. Yeah, I would have a lot less confidence in Jacobi Myers. Yeah. That sucks because Jacobi was bawling out. Adams will be the squeakiest of wheels.
Yeah, also, as a reminder, that was the Chargers game where O'Connell played. Is that right? Yeah. Josh Jacobs, 11 targets. Okay. We like that. Yes, baby. Yeah, we like that. That makes sense. I just dealt him. Oh, that was dumb. Ah, yeah. Jason, or sorry, Mike, I'm going to give you the floor here. Falcons head coach, Arthur Smith, names Taylor Heineke, starting quarterback for week nine. What? That's, we sure about this? Because I've been, I was just grinding Desmond Ritter tape. And I pulled myself out of the toxic group think. And I was watching, I'm like, this, this is the guy. This is the guy for the Atlanta Falcons. And Arthur Smith, I don't know, he has fallen victim to, to the group think. He is a sheep now. What's the opposite of toxic? Maybe it's just like accurate group think.
What if it's just like. Anti-venom? Antidote. I mean, what if it's just like consensus group think is correct? Right. About maybe it's eyeballs. Yeah. The point being. Toxic vision. Like, that is the, I mean, he will, Arthur Smith. It was a week later, man. He will not acknowledge this at all, but this is the ultimate eat crow one week later. I mean, come on. This guy sucks. This guy. The NFL needed a villain, and Arthur Smith said, I got it. I'll play the heel. I'll play the heel. Yeah, so Taylor Hineke, I mean, this is potentially positive news for the passing game because much like, you know, Sam Howell or, you know, some of these quarterbacks that are willing to drive the ball down the field. Taylor will rip it. He will rip it. And so your first reaction is, hey, Drake London.
Kyle Pitts. Drake London, you're going to have a chance. And then he's got a groin injury. Drake London is banged up. So yeah, Kyle Pitts or Johnny Smith. Yeah, it's possible. You know, if Drake London sits, is it Matt Collins? Is it Van Jefferson? Is it no one for your team? Yeah. Josh Dobbs, Arizona Cardinal starting quarterback traded. Yeah, you were saying you smelled some funny business going on. And then the next thing you know, Josh Dobbs was traded away. It makes complete sense for all parties involved. Heads to the Vikings. And yeah, I mean, for what it's worth, now I agree with you that Kyler's going to start. Yeah. There was just something weird about the order of operations. You're saying next week, not this week. Next week, although I do think this week is a slim possibility. Sure. I'll leave the door open, but I believe by next week. It's still funny business to me for a coach to come out and it was, Kyler will not be playing.
We're going to, you know, we'll figure out who it's going to be. And then it was, no, I've reviewed the tape. Yeah, that was weird. Oh, you have to lie sometimes. You can't be like, we're in the midst of trade trend. But you don't have to say anything. Yeah. Like there's no practice going on. Okay, you're saying because he just added more words. Yeah. He didn't need to be like, he got caught in the lie where it's like, I just have to start throwing out details. But not only that, but his lie was to throw the guy under the bus. Yeah.
You know, I don't think he's not going to be our starter. Are you trading him? No, he's just really bad. Yeah, I mean, maybe that wasn't the best way to go about it. Vikings did trade for Josh Dobbs. I don't know. Here's where I am with Josh Dobbs and the Vikings. First, Jaron Hall's starting this week. It won't be Dobbs. Now, Dobbs will, this will be the third offense he learns in less than a calendar year. I mean, he came straight into Tennessee and started. He makes such a good impression on these franchises. He goes to Arizona and he starts immediately. I mean, this is a late trade for Josh Dobbs. I am concerned for Jefferson and Addison still. Josh Dobbs is very competent, but it didn't translate into like consistent value for Hollywood Brown. Correct. What it did was it translated into the third most targets to the tight end position. So if I had T.J. Hawkinson, I would be breathing somewhat of a sigh of relief.
and that I have somebody competent to move, you know, first downs. He can scramble for first downs. The ball's going to move down the field that is going to be better for Addison and Jefferson just in that respect of, you know, Jaron Hall, the rookie is not going to be as good as Josh Dobbs. But Hawkinson, I'm a little bit more, you know, at ease. The other two guys, it's still going to be some up and down. Yeah, I think it'll be a little bit of up and down. But Dobbs, while Dobbs, you know, obviously went one and seven with the Arizona Cardinals,
There's very little talent around him, especially once they lost James Connor. Hollywood is good, but they just didn't have a lot of pieces. There's a lot more competent quality players for the Vikings. Their defense is better, too, that's going to help the offense as well. What this shows me is that the Vikings are still absolutely in it to win it. They're not losing Kirk Couss and saying, like, okay, well, we got to look for the future. You know, maybe it'll be better to get a draft pick. They're trying to make moves. They're trying to win. I believe they are in the playoffs right now. The playoffs started today. That is pretty crazy. Their schedule coming up is very winnable. And Dobbs can pick up this playbook very, very easily. He comes from the same system. Super smart guy. He's an actual rocket scientist with an aerospace engineering degree. It is going to be an adjustment. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He averaged 196 yards of game in Arizona. Cousins was about 300. Oh, man. And so in that regard, you're going to have more balance. You're not going to probably have them passing to the same, you know, top two, I think, top three pass to run situation. Over expectation. Yeah, but, I mean, it is better than what you had. Now, there were rumors about James Winston. I would have been more excited about James Winston with those whiteouts. But it was a good move for the team. And like you said, that means that they're competing, which means Jefferson wants to come back. But there is not an existing rapport. You know, Cousins was really building something with Addison. And that part is a bummer for me. Jonathan Gannon, speaking to earlier, said, you know, Week 9 starting quarterback is not fully decided. So it could still be Kyler this week. The Lions acquired Donovan People's Jones from the Browns for a...
DPJ had dropped out a favor with the coaching staff in Cleveland. Certainly. And so what's your read on this? Because he is, he's a competent, deep threat for a team. And the quotes on Jameson Williams have not been favorable. Not that they're out on him, but it's more of a, look, the guy's just not, he's not where we need him to be. He's not ready yet, which is. I mean, that's kind of unfortunate for a... How do you not get ready yet? It's year two. Yeah, I get it. But, I mean, it's definitely a red flag. But does that... Does People's Jones go into the lines change how you think of their wide receiving room? Not really. I think that this is a replacement for Marvin Jones. Really 100% when I saw this move, it says to me that they just do not trust James and Williams to be...
able to step up to being an every down wide receiver. They just don't. They don't think it's going to happen. And so that's how I read it. Yeah, I'm not as pronounced in the, I just think it was a product of opportunity to pick up some depth when you lost Marvin Jones. But bear, I mean, make no mistake, James Williams has been awful. The, he's been absolutely terrible. PFF grades aren't everything, but, uh, Kyle just pulled this up among 106 wide receivers with 15 or more targets. Jamison ranks 106th in PFF wide receiver grades. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you're a playoff team, you have to add depth at this position when you've dealt with injury too. That was today's news and notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at USAA.com slash insurance. Quick break and we'll be back with the Thursday night preview. All right. We are going to jump in.
We're going to get a Thursday night matchup that is slightly more interesting than what it looked like a week ago. Thursday night breakdown. Will Levis and the Tennessee Titans at 3 and 4 take on the 4 and 3 Pittsburgh Steelers. The draft king sportsbook line, Pittsburgh minus 2.5, the over-enders 36 and a half. I do have Pittsburgh in this game. So we've got Mike Vrable. Point. 7 or 573 career winning percentage. It's been great. They're still alive three and four with the win. Didn't make a trade, right? Didn't get rid of Derek Henry. Yeah, trade deadline was. I mean, it usually is, but it was. It was. We got spoiled with the McCaffrey trade. Yeah. Mike Tomlin. He's up over 63% career winning percentage. Still the seven seed right now with Kenny Pickett. And then we got another Mike. We got Mike Wright.
Currently the most points scored in League of Record. Thank you. Thank you for highlighting that. Is that true? It is true. By like two points. Really? That's a shame. I agree. When I saw that, I was very disappointed. My team has quietly been, you know, pretty good. The highest scoring team in the league. Quietly. Yeah. Now loudly. All right. I said it pretty quiet. We'll love us. We talked about him. You know, I am not. I mean, these sart sick questions on the website for Will Levis. Oh, no. I mean, no, I'm not doing it. I'm not playing Will Lovis on Thursday night football against Mike Tomlin. I'm not going to do that. Now, it doesn't mean he can't have a good game. This is a really, really weak secondary, like really weak. Yeah. But you've also got the one week of film. And we've seen this before. You know what a quarterback comes in their first week. No one knows what to expect.
I'm certain that they didn't expect Will Lovis to throw deep the amount that he did. You brought up the numbers, his completion percentage with pressure. They're going to have some looks for Will Lovis in this game that he hasn't seen before. So my confidence to play him, no, I will watch him. I will be excited if we can get ourselves a banana ram a drop on the show at some point. Does he have to earn that? Is this like a multiple week thing? Yes. You can't go from us. insulting you with the name banana ramma and then what you have one good game and now we're celebrating you are we insulting him are we yes we were yeah yeah yeah I mean because he ate the banana with the peel yeah yeah yeah and he also drank his coffee with the mayonnaise yeah and also he couldn't see pressure yes that was there was that that was on his college tape and I think that's why his 36%
completion rate when pressured. He's like, what? How'd you get here? So this will be really, really interesting. I can definitely see a broken play down the field creating a lot of success here. You have two really smart coaches that are going to game playing well for each other. It seems like Kenny Pickett, I mean, Kenny Pickett said, I am 100% absolutely playing. He has the rib injury, so. Man, the only thing worse than Kenny Pickett, an injured Kenny Pickett, a rib hurt, I mean, Herbert last year played through a rib injury, and he just was not himself. He was not very good. I don't want to watch a Kenny Pickett that's just not himself. Please give me all of Kitty Pickett when I have to watch Kenny Pickett games. Yeah, and it's just not a lot to go around with Kenny Pickett. It's not a lot to go around.
It is going towards Deontay Johnson first. He is the primary receiver. Yeah, he jumped up to 91% of the snap, so he was a full-time player, and that turned into 14 targets, 8 for 85. Yeah, and you're not going to be able to run on the Titans very well, especially when Najee is your running back. So, yeah, I'm fine playing Deontay Johnson, even with a somewhat broken Kenny Pickett. George Pickens, I mean, I feel like you've got to keep playing him because he's just got the big play options and opportunities. Last week, it didn't work out. One catch. One catch for 22 yards. But prior to that, he had two monstrous, monstrous games in a row, and this is where you beat the Titans is in the passing game. Both of these teams really, you know, the wide receivers are in play. I would play Hopkins.
And I would play Deontay Johnson for sure. And then I probably played Pickens. The one catch was a touchdown. Yeah. It was an impressive play. That was the one where he jumped over the two guys. Yeah, it's classic Pickens. I'm with you, Jay, that if I have George Pickens, more than likely, I'm going to start him. But I hate when I'm doing that with a player. And I'm also going, I don't, it won't not surprise me if he has a bad game. Because the games. The good games that he had, it was no Deontay Johnson. Except for week seven, but that was Deontay Johnson was still only 66% of the snaps. He was still a part-time player. We haven't seen a full-time Deontay, full-time George Pickens, both do something together. I'm a Jay. I'd play him. I mean, Pickens are Dotson, Mike. Ooh. That's a good one. What is the Dotson matchup? I don't remember off the top of my head.