Second Year Studs + Hope Bomb, Baskets of Talent - Fantasy Football Podcast for 2/23

And I'm just comparing it to like playing basketball. A pickup game is like your redraft. You show up. Sure. You play your game. You win or lose it. You go home. You know, the dynasty is like playing in a league where you are building a history. Yeah. Kyle, you said you just made a dynasty trade last week. Yeah, I got George Pickens and he wasn't even on my radar. But it's just such a good feeling in the offseason, too. Now we need to know what the trade was. He made it right after our show, too, when we were talking about Pickens.

I gave up Brandon Ayyuk straight up for Pickens. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I'm fine with that. Yeah, I'm fine with that. But speaking. I wonder if you're going to be right or wrong. That part of, of dynasty of making trades right now. Another thing you can say to convince people to convert over and you don't need to convert the league, add the league. Start an additional league that's a dynasty league and it's not too much work because. They, dynasty leagues and redraft leagues, yin and yang together to make a perfect fantasy circle. You're off season when you're bored and you wish there was more football going on and something to do and something to care about.

There is in Dynasty. You can make trades and waiver wire pickups in the off season and care about rookies and do rookie drafts when fantasy isn't at its peak. And then when you're in season and you're like, you know, you've got a lot of management to do. You got waivers or, you know, to go through. You don't have that much work to do in a Dynasty League. It's really mostly setting your roster. And then there might be like a waiver wire pickup per week that you might look at in those leagues. I am. potentially going to be depressed with your answer to this next question. Okay. Okay. I hope to let you down. Warren wants to know Mike Evans are a second round rookie pick in a dynasty league. Oh, that's easily Mike Evans. Easily Mike Evans. Easily. A second? I thought I was maybe living some fantasy life here thinking Mike Evans is still a commodity in a dynasty league. Mike Evans is still a very good player for dynasty leagues. I mean, he got.

think in the dynasty window of three-ish years. I mean, Mike Evans will still be relevant in three years, I believe. And he's not worth a top half of a first round pick of the first round, but a second rounder. So 105 you would trade Mike Evans for? Yeah, I'd rather, I think I'd rather have the 105. I would rather have one of those early picks to grab a rookie chance over Mike Evans because he's 29 and a half years old. But I agree he's got at least two good years. And I do believe that there is a chance that either Chris Gobwin or Mike Evans gets moved. Sure. If you're another franchise and there's plenty of other franchises out there that really needs help at wide receiver, you're going to go to the Buccaneers and kick the tires and say, look, your window isn't right this second. You know, Mike Evans isn't going to help you win, grab something for your team's future. Let us take him and give him a new contract and all that.

His situation is quarterback situation. You've got to do some projecting. Like, you know, I'm in some of these way too early best ball leagues. And you go, well, the quarterback situation is going to suck for Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. Probably. But if either one of them leaves, then both of their situations probably get far better. Yeah, he'll be an interesting situation to watch. Both of those guys will be interesting to watch in 2023 with their situation. Evans seems like he's essentially on the last year of his deal this year. Get something for him. At least he's the kind of player that can go somewhere even at 30-31 and maybe score 12 times. Yes. Brandon Marshall. Yeah, exactly. You can go someplace and be a big target and score a bunch. He clearly still has the ability to get.

Downfield. Oh, yeah. Week 17, baby. Mike Evans. My hero. Why is this question in here, Brooks? See, we've got something from the loser, Brian Ketren. Oh. Why isn't Brian Ketren featured on the show more? Because he's a loser. Yeah, what a loser. But this is a big shout out for that loser. Yeah. Brian Ketcher. I mean, he's featured in a way because we have a bunch of kind of like, you know, show drops on YouTube that he does. And some of them are okay. Yeah, like YouTube. Did you like the guy in the wig? Yeah, like the wig. That's Brian. Like, yeah, no, shout out to catch in reality after this past season. Why are we doing that? I don't know. Someone put, I feel like he got access to our show doc. Looks like he pays for Twitter blue. And put this out. Oh, put him on blast. Yeah. Yeah, thank you, Brooks. You put it there to body him. Yeah, that's, he lives for that.

All right, Instagram. We have coach Cole Smith wants to know. Who has a better fantasy season this year? Jonathan Taylor or Najee Harris? I believe both have a better season than they had last year. Naji had a good season last year. This is not an anti-Noggi take. But Jonathan Taylor should get back to form. Now, is he going to be the number one overall running back? Obviously, he has that ability, that talent. His situation is not perfect, but his talent is completely elite. If people are doubting him based on the Colts kind of going downhill and him being injured this last year, he's someone that I would be kicking the tires on to see if you can acquire. You know, it's one of those players where usually when you've got a superstar young, you know, the first draft pick and he's a running back, that is not acquireable.

You can't trade enough for him. And now you might be able to find a manager in certain leagues that is worried. And I am not worried about Jonathan Taylor. His athleticism, his, you know, the prospect that he is and what he already showed on the NFL field, he got injured. Like, I'm not worried. Yeah. And that he almost get in the same situation where the doubt around Christian McCaffrey last year. It's like the most recently injured superstar that hurt you the most is very difficult to not have some people come out and say, well, is it over? Because that's just human nature, I think. All right. Matthew and Tuscaloosa, appreciate the Dynasty Pass already being up and helping me out. How high do Stroud and Young, B.J. Stroud and Bryce Young, both quarterback prospects that should go.

Top five? Yeah, top two, probably. But if some trades happen, how high do they move up in Superflex rookie drafts? And where would they slot in compared to Lake Bijan Robinson? They will probably be the 102 and 103 in all rookie drafts in Superflex leagues. Every Superflex league that I've seen ADP for. pretty much still has Bijan as the 101. And then in some order, it's really depending on, because the NFL draft hasn't happened, it's depending upon where you think Stroud would go or where you think Young would land as to which one you prefer. But those two guys are usually the next two picks after Bijon and Superflex. All right. Twitter question from Nick. Is it safe to assume Giovante Williams would be the Camero role for Sean Payton? Or is he actually closer to the Mark Ingram?

I'm not sure it's healthy to break Giovante Williams up into role A or roll B, I would say. Because his physical skill set is not Alvin Cameras. He can catch the football, but Camara was like next level at catching the football. So do I think Javante will be the majority back that has the most opportunity to succeed? Yes. Yeah, if you look at Sean Payton, he uses the skills of his talents. That's part of. That is part of why he's a great offensive coach. He doesn't have a Camara role. He had a role for Alvin Camara. If it's Deuce McAllister, he uses him like that. Chris Ivory was a banger. He used Chris Ivory. He's going to take the talents that Giovante has and get the most out of him. Yeah, and he has a long history of that with Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush. There's no limit to the running backs are going to succeed. It's just.

in the way that is best for them. And Chase Edmonds will be there next year, right? He's under contract. They can cut him, which is probably the likely scenario. Okay. Yeah. I think they'll get the most out of Chase Edmonds by cutting. They can cut him for a zero dollar dead cap. Yeah. So, so see you later. So he's just done, huh? Yeah. But he is going to resign. There are a lot of new leagues. The XFL, the USFL. Oh, stop. So I don't think his football playing days are over. Oh, man. There are different ways to deal with Burns, man. There are different ways. Yes, there are. And one of them is hatred. One of them is a real dark place in your heart. Here's the one thing about Giovante Williams is that they're going to need.

I would expect this team. I forgot. You forgot until now? Oh, man. Yeah. What'd you forget? Dead to me. Jason was very bullish. Look, as an eighth round pick, I thought he was a good value. As did I. Wrong o. I want to bring up. As did the Miami Dolphins, to be fair. But he was not a good value. The Giovante Williams injury situation is going to define the way that the Broncos, you know, pursue depth at running back. Because this was an ACL, LCL, and more. And plus. Oh, gosh. So, you know, he's likely going to start camp on the PUP. We're going to need to follow it closely. And then when he's back, it's how much do you give him, right? That's going to be a part of it. Like if you want to make that, Jason has talked about how he's bullish about Breeze Hall.

but part of that story is I think I think you've said it and correct me if I'm wrong because I don't want to speak for you but the way you looked at him last year where you said okay the back half of the year is going to be better it seems like that's the tone you've taken this year where it's like okay he'll be back out there but you're going to improve because you're coming off the injury you're going to get stronger you're going to get more opportunity in the second half yeah I would agree with that I you know he'll be better in year two than he is in year one but I do think he'll be successful in year one

And so Williams is a player that they're going to need to have complementary pieces around him. It might not be Chase Edmonds or Latavius Murray, but you might have wished it was as a fantasy player, depending on who they bring in there. Because there will be some players out there that could come and contribute, and we know that Sean Payton has used multiple backs. So I feel like the Giovante Williams dynasty story is scarier to me than the Breeze Hall dynasty story for sure. Oh, for sure. Even though Giovante's way? 22? Is he 22 years old? I don't think he's very old. Javante Williams? That could be wrong. I don't have his age. Oh, 22. Yeah, he's 22. So, and how old is Breece? 21? He should be 22. He played 21 in his rookie season. So, I mean, when you look at him, both coming off injury, both super talented, both have flashed at the NFL level, both have been seriously injured. So, but I would rather be on the brief side. Yeah, he's 21.7.

point seven very specific all right uh mike what is what is rashad white's dynasty value instagram question from ryan say for you that you don't have to answer yeah he's one of those players i hate talking about so i was so happy to hear him say mike talk so he's he's fascinating was uh he was you know a day two pick he should be the starting running back for this team and I mean, we were comping, you know, putting Derek Carr or Garoppolo to that team. I think that they will be aggressive going after one of these free agent quarterbacks. And we do, we talk a lot about, you know, don't be fooled again by the bridge quarterback coming in and thinking that they're going to turn around fantasy value for a lot of players. But I think that Derek, Derek Carr can, like, he still will provide fantasy value.

to a team and he'll keep the offense moving. And I think Leonard Furnett will be gone. So his value, I think, is more on your team than it is in trade right now of taking the gamble and the risk that they drafted him up so high to be their future starting running back. Is anybody in this current studio, the Rashad White manager in our dynasty league? Brooksie? No, sir. No, Al? No, sir. See, he is a dynasty. buy for me and that is on the basis of my eyeballs. Sure. I like what I saw from Rashad White. I think he is multifaceted. You have a team that probably will be more predicated on the running game than they were last year. I mean, have to be, right? Most attempts all time. And you've got a head coach who's a defensive-minded guy. Like the way that they're going to win games is probably not the way they were winning them with Brady.

And so it does come down to watching the film. Did you like what you saw from Rashad White on film? And I did. So that would make him a dynasty buy to me. But I don't think everybody has that opinion. And that's why Mike said you might be able to go get him. Yes. And like if I had Rashad White right now, I'm not trying to trade him away. I'm more on the side of I would, I'd be willing to trade for him because I think that that value of the market doesn't match what he could be. But again. Yes, risky. Certainly the upside is there. If the role becomes to run the ball more and Leonard Fournett is cut, all of a sudden Rashad White becomes very valuable, even if the team isn't great. All right. We've got one more here. YouTube question from that guy. Oh, I know him. That guy, 66199. Oh, that's a different one. No, I know. 66192. Yeah.

He's a nice guy. That's the one I know. Yeah, great. Great guy. Is there a world where the fantasy footballers cover the USFL and XFL fantasy football content? Sweet. Fancy Moses. Kyle, what do you think? You want to take that over? I'd rather die. What do you need? Jason says yes. Well, you'd have an opportunity to cover Chase Edmonds. Yeah, I will next year, 2023. Well, he just says, is there a world where he can see us covering that? It would be. While you're asleep in your dreams, you could dream of the greatness that is mediocre football and us. Don't you think you're alienating the XFL base right now? Maybe. I watched a couple of these games. Because Twitter was very excited. I want the NFL to adopt a couple of the rules. I would agree with you. Especially the kickoff. Honestly, it was. What is the kickoff rule? The kickoff rule is that the

the two sides, the returning team and the kicking team, all of their players line up 10 yards apart at about the 30 and the ball's kicked and they can't move until the receiving player catches it. But they're already downfield. But they're already downfield a long way. So it actually, it mitigates all the injury risk. You still have a chance at a return. Of course, if you kick from the same spot in the NFL, 80% of them are going to be touchbacks anyways. But I did like the way that that play. Did you agree? I liked that. I also liked the rule of the instead of onside kick, you get a fourth of 15. I like that. I watched AJ McCarran. Yeah, that was awesome. Bring his team back. He actually looked great at the end. I only saw the end of this game where he looked fantastic, but apparently they hadn't scored for three and a half quarters. They were down 15 to 3, came down, scored. Scored a.

Then report a three point conversion. Yeah. Then got the fourth and 15. That rule freaks me out. The fourth and 15 rule freaks me out because for whatever reason when I hear that rule, I go to my team has done something that can win me the game. And now there's a cheat code to get them back. And somehow the on say kick feels like, you know, that feels like impossible. So my team has won it. Now, I know it will be exciting if it really existed. I'd be like on the edge of my seat. It would be fun. I mean, I'm sure the numbers of picking up a fourth and 15 have to be extremely low. And it's very dangerous because you don't pick it up. Obviously, the, you know. Isn't that a little bit of like chicken and egg though? Like you don't pick up lots of fourth and 15s because you don't go for them. Because people don't have a lot of fourth and 15s. They don't plan for it. I just wonder what that would do.

So I'm curious. And Mike, as an almost 40-year-old, you know, old school football. Oh, never. No, run the ball. That's not how my grandpappy played football. What do you guys think about the going for three? Because that changes. I wanted to ask so much. Where does it stop? How far back can you go? Can I go for like a 10-pointer? You want a four-point shot in the NBA? Every 10 yards, another point. Stop drinking, people. Stop drinking. Yeah, I don't know. Look, it's a lot of fun, but I like it to be casual and fun and not work. You're saying enjoying those other leagues. Yes. Yeah, we do a lot of shows for the regular NFL. We would expire. We would just do it. We would miss. If I had to watch every XFL game.

No, no. It's like the Avengers, you know, with the snap and they just become dust. Like, that would happen to us on the show. And then what? And then what, people? And then no NFL coverage. Yeah, no NFL, XFL or USFL. You ask too much, that guy. All right, that is going to do it for today's episode of the show. Big episodes coming up next week. We've got coaching changes. We've got the 10 Things to Remember episode. It's going to be a whole lot of fun. We'll talk to you then. Don't forget ultimatedraftgett.com. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on join thefoot.com and follow us on Twitter at theFF ballers.