NFC East Breakdown + Warning Signs, Mustard Man - Fantasy Football Podcast for 7/12

But it is, it is tough. And Andy, you brought this up earlier. I've brought this up a couple times. I have my thing to remember going away from last year was that mediocre quarterbacks coming in to save the day. Never save the day. Let's talk about this player Antonio Gibson. Oh, baby. Running back for the Washington Manders. Studied for the wrong test. That's exactly what it was. Chemistry. A squared plus B squared equals C squared.

Oh, I thought this was spelling. All right. Well, hold on. Yeah, what was the conclusion? What premise led to the conclusion? What did you think we were saying about him? We were talking about running back 19. 403. Oh, 403. So let's check this out, guys.

Oh, man. This is hot one tonight. Yeah, this is one of those things where the money that is going on in real drafts on Underdog right now versus the kind of stagnant home leagues that aren't really drafting right now, you've got a lot of carryover and ADPs that are from last year or from older takes right now before our home leagues really rev up. But in the money leagues, you've got Antonio Gibson right now being drafted 72.9.

in ADP. That is going in the seventh round. People are passing him by like crazy. He is one of the last like potential starters. And this is a running back who the last two years has been a top 12 fantasy option. 310 opportunities last year. I mean, he is a really talented athlete. He has been good for fantasy. And people are scared. I don't know if this is entirely because of the...

Brian Robinson Jr. draft pick in the third round bringing in another guy to... Six fumbles? Right. Six fumbles is Antonio Gibson. Robinson is known for not fumbling. That changed a lot of games for the football team last year. So it's... Rivera has also said three-person timeshare. Yeah. So it's no longer is the talk of Antonio Gibson being...

They're Christian McCaffrey. Those days are done. Yeah, at least what they're saying verbally. Now, for me, I agree that that ceiling and hope for Antonio Gibson, I don't think it is available this year in this current form of the team. But to me, that's more just because of J.D. McKissick. Like, McKissick siphons off a bunch of targets. Gibson. Thank you. Gibson, yeah, he got me good with that one. Did you raise the volume on that?

Last year, like Gibson, when McKissick went out with injury, Gibson was seeing, you know, over four targets a game. When McKissick's healthy, that's down in the, you know, just over the two range, which is, that's not what you want for someone who is a converted wide receiver, but it is what it is. For Brian Robinson, I'm not, the draft pick of Brian Robinson doesn't just terrify me for Antonio Gibson. They needed somebody else in the backfield just in case.

I mean, Jared Patterson was an undrafted free agent that they brought on, and he made the roster because they had no other options at the running back position. So I think the pick of Robinson was more of a Rivera saying, I need to have a high-tee running back room, not that it means that Antonio Gibson is completely toast for fantasy football. The one thing I think worth discussing is when McKissick played.

He was on pace for 82 targets. Yes. In those same games, Gibson was on pace for 39 targets on the year. Yuck. Once McKissick left in week 12 or 13 to injury, that's when you saw a huge escalation for or a significant one for Antonio Gibson. So if you don't get targets and you do see a workload reduction.

You just need to come to a place of acceptance that Gibson represents something completely different to your offense. Mike, are you Gibson or Rashad Penny? Oh, that's an interesting question. At this point, I'd still go with Gibson. I think it'll be a better offense than, you know, the Gino Smith or Drew Locke situation in Seattle. Or the most recent rumor, the Jimmy Garoppolo. Oh, yes. Seattle, sea chickens. That is, that's floating around there.

Logan Thomas, should we be paying any attention to him right now? I mean, week three, ACL, MCL, meniscus injury. It's hard to see a world where he's back this year. The Giants play football. Four wins, 13 losses last year. Had a preseason win total of seven, so underwhelming. According to Warren Sharp, the Giants' only team in the NFL to not have one week sitting above 500.

at any point over the last five seasons? That's interesting, and they have, they have completely cleared house. So it's, you can't, I mean, you have the personnel of, yes, Daniel Jones is the quarterback, but 13th in pace of play, but 31st and points per game, 31st and passing yards, 24th and rushing attempts, all these horrifically bad numbers, you can't.

just go off of those moving into this year. But I had such hopes for Jason Garrett. Yeah, well, he's gone. Joe Judge is gone. Hey, does anyone have a job application? It's me, Dave. He's been removed. Like, everybody's gone from the Giants. But gone and good. No, no. And I totally get that. But here's where the New York Giants are interesting. San Juan Barclay can still be a three-down running back.

and he is being drafted at the back of the second round. And he is the only giants going anywhere near, that actually registers on ADP. Meanwhile, these wide receivers are all going in the double digit round. And the giants are going to be better than they were last year. Did you say the double digit round? That's what I hope so. Oh. Sequin in, look, I was going to make the argument that he has a very similar situation to.

Zeke. Except for Zeke's going behind him, and I'd rather have Zeke with the number one offense in the league versus Sequin, where you may have a whole bunch of between the 20s, he looks okay, and then you never score. So I guess that's where when you told me it was the back of the second round for Sequin, my first thought was, well, Zeke is a better value. He could be. But what, I mean, what if you're, you can start with your pick of the wide receivers in the first and then come back with Sequin and Zeke?

High risk, I get it, but if that's interesting. No, that would be a great start. I mean, Zeke, or Sequin is someone that over the last couple years, we've kind of not been into. Let me tell you about Antonio? We have not been into. Wait, wait, wait, you're talking about Sequin? No, he's someone we haven't really been into, and I find myself rising on him drastically. You know, he is.

Still only 25 years old. That is very young. We were just talking about Michael Gallup and how the evidence is that your first year back from an ACL, you are simply not as good. You don't get back to peak performance until the year two. We've seen that a lot of times. And so this is year two for Sequin.

at 25 years old from that injury. He also had an ankle injury. It kind of had a... It was a very fluky ankle injury where he just... He backpedaled. If you don't remember, he backpedals, ends up stepping on someone else's foot. I mean, it's a basketball injury and rolls his ankle and then it just poof, swells up like an orange, and then he misses a month. I think he is going to be fully healthy. And the depth chart here is as...

great slash horrific, depending on your perspective, as it could get. It's Sequin Barclay and nothing else. So you're going to get volume. You're going to have talent. But I do think. Give me the names around Sequin. Oh. I'll let you finish your thought. I just wanted somebody. I'll grab it. Look up some names around him because I don't have any problem with him as an independent situation, but I want to see what names are. Yeah. While you look that up, I do think he's going to be talented and assured of work. The.

problem here is we still are hoping that he gets back to rookie year and first part of sophomore year Zeke, where he had Eli Manning throwing him the ball 115 times. That's really, I don't believe ever going to be the case again where I don't see him as that, you know, top five insta slam awesome guy, but I do think that he is someone I'm willing to draft now as he drops to the back of the second.

All right, so if you're looking at a wide receiver, ADP-wise, that would be- No, give me the running backs in his range. Okay, the running backs in his- Because if I make that decision to go wide receiver early, and you were saying, okay, you can come back later and get Zeke as one of your foundational running backs, would I actually do it? All right, so on, let's go look on. I've got something here. What do you got? So, Giovante Williams or Sequin Barkley? Yeah, I mean, that's tough.

That's really tough because I'm working from the premise that I've got myself a nice whiteout. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And who do I want to leave? I'll probably, I'll go take one. In that situation. In that situation. Yeah, where it's not my second choice. Aaron Jones. Yeah, I'll take Aaron Jones. I would as well, Mike. I would take Jones over Berkeley. And I think I take Javonte. See, if you told me I'd taken a running back early and I'm coming back with Javante, I'd probably take.

him over Saquan in that situation. Right. You're playing for the upside versus volume. How about Leonard Fournette, a volume play, I would as well. So it is tough to get Saquan. The good news is that means Saquan probably isn't going to rise too much in your drafts, and you could still be confident in taking a wide receiver early. Not that I didn't listen or anything, but what division did you guys discuss? NFC South. Oh, so you talked Tampa? Yes. Interesting. So I don't have to sit here.

talk about Leonard Fournett on a divisional breakdown show and how depressing it is that he's going to be so good again. Is that what you said? What did you say on the show? Good? Dude, do you remember? You'll have to go check the tape on that one. No. I record and then just the rim is emptied once I leave this move. I guess we should talk about their wide receiver room because, of course, $42.4 million is devoted to it, which is the most in the NFL. So it has to be very influential of fantasy, right? Everybody loves these guys.

Which one do you draft? Cadarius, Tony. Yeah. I am. He's super interesting because nobody wants him. I, I, I, I, the off season, it seemed like they were even trying to get rid of him. He's had weird off the field issues. You're like a, it's like a bad boyfriend. Like you want them, you want the, uh, tough guy? No, it's just no, my, my point. Nobody wants him. So you want him? In the, in the off season, things looked bleak. And so I, I, I, it's depressed his value.

When we saw him on the field, he was absolutely electric. His targets per route run, which is one of the sticky stats that are very, very telling for guys that are earning targets was outstanding. He was a rookie. He's coming into year two. They've got Brian Dayball here. They just literally drafted another one of him. And you know who's an even more depreciated value? Maybe I can interest you in a little bit of.

I mean, there was a time, it was a time very recently where we were talking about Kenny Gallaudet is one of the premier whiteout talents in all of football. Last year came and went, and the year before was injury plagued. Yeah. But he's two rounds below, Cadarius Tony. That's fine. I do not care. I'm going to go with the, if I'm going on garbage offense, I want youth and I want the upside of that of an elite.

type of Twitch athlete like Cadarious Tony. Yeah, Wondale Robinson was added to the roster, but he's a rookie is, will Wondale be able to do the things that Cadarius Tony did, which is as a rookie in his fifth game in the NFL, caught 10 passes for 189 yards while not even finishing the game because he got removed. You don't have to talk me into, you know, tell, those were elite.

unique, special wide receiver skills. Yes. But over the back half of the year, it was leg, ankle, shoulder, quad, oblique, COVID. I mean, it was a laundry list of every body part that you got. His body did not want to play in the NFL, but I believe he also had a game with a shoe problem. He showed up with the wrong shoes. Did he? I did not remember this. I'm trying to search. That was Cinderella.

Right, it didn't fit. It was weird as a made of glass. They're like, you can't play a glass. Yeah, that'd be dangerous. Yeah. Dang it. Why do you keep going? So, but there was something. Kyle vet that for me. There was something where he went to Cinderella shoot? Yeah, no, I promise. Glass cleats. That story. Glass cleats not allowed. No, I mean, I don't. Look, whatever. It's the 10th round. It's the 11th round. I don't care if you take your shot there. But I will say this.