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Starts of the Week + Week 8 Breakdown, Triple Clown | Fantasy Football 2024 - Ep. 1662

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Week 8 show supplies recurring crew mythology: the Falcon is perpetually unavailable, player names become clown material, and a disastrous parlay earns the first Triple Clown of the year.

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And Jordan Love's going to make it happen against the Jacksonville Jaguars who are dead last for wide receivers. Yes. Yeah. At tight end, Kyle Pitts. Mike, you had them as your start of the week last week. It was good. Pitts has been pitzerskly lately. Whoa. Yeah, I know. All right. Boston. Let me be clear. I don't know what you said. I don't even know the joke. Pitcheresque. Like, like picturesque. Yeah, it's a hard word. Difficult word. Anyways, we're moving on. The last three weeks, if you look at his yard, 88 yards, 70 yards, 65 yards, those are great. Two of those are seven receptions. He's seeing 18% of the targets on a Falcons team that loves to throw on. You know, that's been throwing a lot. Over the last month, Tampa Bay ranks 30th against tight ends. I mean, this is a game where I actually wonder if Kyle Pitts is becoming an every week's start.

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where you can have confidence in him, he is in the top half of tight ends that I would want right now. The matchup is also really, really good. So I'm happy to start him. I'll tell you, I thought about trading for pits. And then I didn't do it because I knew that if I did it, you'd be sad that I'd be sad that I didn't. I'd be sad if I don't do it. I'll be sad if I did it somehow. So, you know, my start of the week this week is the guy that I'm playing over. a Pitts decision. I made this choice earlier in the year. Both guys still feel shaky to me. Pitts has felt better, but it's Dalton Kincaid against Seattle. Their weak spot on the defensive side, it's the tight end. We're getting to the point where like, Dalton Kincaid is one of the weirdest tight ends to have on your roster because he should be started every week. He got dragged down on the two last week on a 25-yard pass. That changes the outlook, right? And though it's one play there, one play here.

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that makes the difference between a Pitts and a Kincaid. Neither of them are in the tier so low that you're like moving on to a Colby Parkinson or a Noah Fant, but neither of Kincaid, more specifically, hasn't done enough to make you feel like I'm excited to have them in my roster, on my roster. So I'm going to go with Kincaid this week in the confidence play against Seattle, who like I said, 31st against tight ends. They've given up at least five to Theo Johnson and Kyle Pitts and George Kittle. I think that this is. His opportunities are guaranteed. It's just are they going to be valuable? And I am very excited that I actually get to fully endorse this player. Oh, you've just talked them up for all of today. I have, no, I've really liked the player, but I just couldn't get behind up in support for Fantasy a player who had Deshawn Watson throwing him the ball with the last three years of what we've seen with Watson. But Watson's gone. James is in. It's David Najoku.

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14 targets this last week. And look, the Ravens, you have to throw on the Ravens. People are, you don't really have a choice. The Ravens are going to put up all of the points and to have any type of a game they're going to have to throw. And look, James does wild stuff. He just, he takes chances that Watson will not take. The Ravens right now, 20th against fantasy tight end. So I'm just, I am very, very excited that we get to play him with confidence. All right, it's time to jump into the matchups. Very excited to talk about some pretty big games. It's time for Fantasy Forecast, presented by Draft King Sportsbook. No, go to it. Go to the camp. Are we sure? Yes. Yeah, go to the camp. Go to the camp. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, no, I'm living your. Guys, I swear I had a bloody nose. Don't you see this Kleenex in my notes? I can't do it.

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All right. I wasn't. Josh hit me. Josh hit you? What in the stomach? All right. Philadelphia, Cincinnati. Eagles traveling to Cincinnati. They're four and two. The Bengals are three and four. The drafting sports put the line since he minus two. The overrunners 48. Without seeing the line, I was definitely on the side of Cincinnati winning this ball game. So them being favored. I think they're a better football team than Philadelphia is today. I think Philadelphia has benefited a little bit from working through the kinks with a soft schedule. And I'll be really curious how they play on the road in this one. Joe Burrow, the DK passing prop on him is 260 and a half yards without detouring too far. I've been in an interesting place where I've got Kyla Murray and Caleb Williams on my roster in our league of record.

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And when I look out at the landscape of quarterbacks, and I'll see if you guys agree with me, it seems a little more ambiguous this year to pick a player from that crop that you know is going to be better than somebody in the middle. Like Kyler's the quarterback seven. That might shock you. He's the quarterback seven. It does shock me. He had two monster games. Did he? Yeah. I feel like he only had one monster game. But listen, the point is. Baker Mayfield's sitting at quarterback too. Like Lamar, 100% at one and more. Yeah. I probably want Alan and Hertz more. Yeah. At that point. DAC. Well, look, not yet. No. I mean, DAC is like all promise and no. Yeah, because it should work. It should work. Yeah. And it's looked really bad and they can't run the football. So it could work, but last year is not indicative of what will happen yet. But I'm saying like who would you really go and trade?

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confidently for, and the question of Joe Burrow came up to me. It was like, do I know that Joe Burrow is going to be a better quarterback than Kyla Murray rest of the season? I came up with no. I don't know that yet. Yeah, early before the season started, I was concerned about the down-the-stretch schedule for the Bengals. So that is a little concerning. Like their playoff weeks are pretty brutal. They've got Denver in the championship week, Cleveland. in the week before and Tennessee. Like those three matchups are just from a fantasy playoff perspective, that scares me on the borough side. But it's an interesting conversation when you talk about what are those quarterbacks we can confidently say are going to be significant contributors this year. Jordan Love comes to mind. Jordan Love's been on fire. I'd put love. That's fair. I mean. Love might be like in the same tier as Allen for me.

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That's fair. I mean, Lamar is in a tier of his own right now. Jaden Daniels, you know, Jaden Daniels on a per game basis has been 1.5 points better than Kyler and he's hurt. So that was a tough one, right? Right. Josh Allen, he's like three points better. He's the quarterback four. It's just like number three in points per game right now is Joe Burrow. He's at 26.1. He's got T. Higgins. He's got Jamar Chase. They don't have a running game that you have great confidence in. more so you don't lean on it. That's not going to be how they win the ball game, which is important. When you talk about like CJ Stroud right now, you can go win the ball game with Joe Mixing. Sure. You talk about Jalen Hertz. You can go win the ball game with Sequin. They can't win the ball game with Chase Brown. Zach Moss. So Joe Burrow this week, what is your confidence level going up against Philadelphia? It's got to be pretty high. Like schedule adjusted, the Eagles are holding quarterbacks down, but it's at home.

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I mean, Burrow coming off the last two games on the road has been, he's been fine. Like the Giants, he was just under the 20-point threshold. This past week against Cleveland was, that one was kind of a bummer there. He only hit 15 points. So I put my confidence as, like, he's a top eight play this week, which is, I mean, that's a must-start quarterback. Must-start is the way to describe Sequin on the other side. He is third in the NFL. Points per game at the running back position. Can you name the other two? Ahead of Saquan on a points per game basis? Yes. Derek Henry. Yes. Is it mixing? It's mixing. Yeah. Sequan's 17 game pace right now, 362 on the opportunities, 210055 total yards and 17 touchdowns. And, you know, Jalen Hertz and Saquan are going to be in. AJ Brown is going to be in. And obviously we hope Devante Smith kind of.

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You know, I personally don't hope he comes back to form because I'm playing the hurts Devante Smith stack, but I think he probably will. I think Devante Smith is someone you might want to go trade for right now. Yeah, his, his DK receiving prop is 54 and a half receiving yards. This game, that is just indicative. The last game was a blip. And they, they won that game pretty handedly, even though they got sacked a bunch. And it was really a Sequin game. And then A.J. Brown had. His A.J. Brown play he has every week, kind of like a Tyree kill with Tua. You know, you talked about how the Eagles had some easy matchups to kind of figure things out. But I think also they were figuring things out without their star wide receivers. And so now with their offense healthy, this is going to be a great litmus test for both teams. We're going to find out a lot about the Eagles or the Bengals. I personally have the Eagles winning this game.

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I think their defense has been pretty good this year, but they haven't been tested. So now that's what I want to find out, is this defense that has been statistically, you know, pretty good. I mean, they're top 10 against quarterbacks, running backs, tight ends. But they haven't played a lot of great office. Daniel Jones and Cleveland. Yeah, I mean, this is, that's where it's like, Jalen Hertz, 114 passing yards. So when you look at the blip, two targets for Dante Smith, 114 passing yards. They can finally win with the running game. They can win with Sequin. So he's had three games under 200 yards, which is a risk when you have two top tier wide receivers. Like that is, you know, you talk about two coming back. That's because you think he can throw for 250, 300 yards. The week two, he was without A.J. Brown. Well, week two, he was also the quarterback two with under 200 passing yards. Yeah, and then week four was, was Brown back in that one? No. So it.

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Box score hunting Jalen Hertz is really hard right now. There's so much context you need. Other players from this game that you want to talk about? I mean, you're starting Higgins and Chase. Chase is on pace for 1,500 and 15. Higgins has been really, really good. You would start Chase Brown over Zach Moss? I would. Yes, I would start Chase Brown over Zach Moss. We've seen the involvement up and the explosiveness is there. The only other name Grant Calcutara. That is the backup tight end. This is not a... pick him up and start him. This is a DFS, like if you want to punt play at tight end, he should cost nothing. And I only bring them up because this is years in a row where the Bengals are one of those teams. You absolutely target against tight ends. They don't guard the tight end. So we've seen Grant have a little bit of work with Dallas Goddard being out. I would also ask you, Devante Smith or Tank Dell, one of our top starts two questions on the website. That's a great question. Tank Dell is my start of the week. I think he's a good start.

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I would not start him over Devante Smith. Devante Smith has been awesome all year other than last week. And if you look at last week, it's it's forgivable in reality because they didn't need them. They won 28 to 3 and Sequin just ran all over them. Baltimore, 5 and 2 taking on the 1 and 6 Cleveland Browns. The Nick Chubb, James Winston led Cleveland Browns. Baltimore 8 in a half point road favorites. The overrunner is 44. and a half, you are making a bet on garbage time for the Browns in this game or on their defense kind of keeping them in it for a while. But ultimately, you're hoping that, you know, Najoku feels like the must start of the situation. But beyond that, I'm, you know, I'm not confident with a Brown. I will say I am hopeful with the Browns.

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We saw Joe Flacco come in last year and allow the receiving options to go north. And we have also watched all season the inaccuracy and the frustrating playability of Deshawn Watson leading this team. With James Winston coming in here, this is absolutely no guarantee, especially against a good Baltimore Ravens divisional opponent. No guarantee that, oh, he's going to fix things. But there is hope there that's like, hey. Maybe they throw the ball a lot more, which I expect them to do. They did when they came in. They said that they're changing the play calling duties. This is going to be a much more passover run team, I think, going forward with James Winston with the Browns. And so I am not like starting Jerry Judy. But you're in on Cedric Tillman. You're on Njoku, right? Oh, I'm totally in on Njoku. As a tight end with the targets, he's a wonderful start.

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But I am watching hopefully on Cedric Tillman and Jerry Judy because I think there is a world that exists going forward where their weekly starts or one of them is if this offense actually works with a quarterback that can get wide receivers to ball. Derek Henry's prop is set at 98.5 rushing yards. Oh, my, Atlanta. He's on pace to break the all-time record. And that's going to be the thing to monitor at this point, the Eric Dickerson record. So, I mean, he's on pace to break it right now, yardage-wise. Baltimore. Do it. Zay Flowers didn't practice on Wednesday. Something to monitor. Rashad Bateman has been consistently targeted for three straight weeks. He has. I don't mind him in this game. Brown's defense 28th against whiteouts. I think he's a good DFS dart throw. I think he's a good flex play. I'm in agreement. You know, this will be are we on fire with Mark Ganders? Does he get back into the end zone? And if he does, you're going to have.

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three straight weeks where he's probably a top five tight-in. I looked at the last two years, the matchups of Mark Andrews specifically against this Brown's defense, which I feel like has been good for the last two years. He has had some monstrous games and some disappearing acts. Generally speaking, this Brown's defense does not give up a ton to tight ends. So I think it is one of those real big... Hold your breath moments for Mark Andrews. I would start him over likely personally. What about Kincaid or Pitts? I would start those guys over Aeros. I picked up Kate Aughton off waivers. I have Mark Andrews. At this point, Otten is in my lineup. And in my dynasty league, I've got Mark Andrews and Hunter Henry. And it's a legit question this week. I think you could start either. Right. But I, you know, diving deep to make a decision at the end.

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So that's where Mark Andrews is for me. Just because he got a touchdown in each of the last two games does not mean that he has been super involved in the offense, the yardage and the targets. They're not what, they're not Mark Andrews of old. Like just five. Just give Mark Andrews at least five targets a week. His snap percentage is down from 70% last year to in the 50s this year. So that would be, you know, that's one of those things that's going to make him a slight, a slightly more volatile start on a week to week basis. Tennessee is one in five. They're taking on the Detroit Lions who are sitting at five and one. The Draft King Sportsbook line appropriately. Detroit minus 11 and a half at home. That's a fire. Over under what happened? I don't know. That is so hot. 11 and a half. I mean, I feel like that's, I don't, I don't remember lines like this since the, what year was Brady and Moss? I mean, the Brady Moss. Those were like 14. Those are 16, 17, 18.

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11 and a half's too small. I don't know how the Titans score. I equally don't know how the Lions don't score. Yeah, I mean, the Titans have a good defense, but it's in Detroit, too many weapons. You won't have Jameson Williams. That's a storyline here. You talk about a DFS dart throw, Tim Patrick. He's not part of the main slate, but, you know, if you're playing that matchup heads up, Patrick could be more involved, Laporta could be more involved. Jamir Gibbs. It was amazing last week, Montgomery. He had his first game outside the top 20 getting banged up. But golf, Gibbs, Montgomery, Amunrah, and Laporta, I feel like are all must plays this week. Mason Rudolph, we expect him to start another week for the Titans. His DK passing touchdown line prop is at a half. Yeah, 0.5. That's what they usually have for interceptions. The Detroit Lions.

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That's good stuff. They are on the main sling. It was 20. It's a 1 p.m. game. It is? Yeah. I think I know you looked up to try to put Tim Patrick in your lineup, but you didn't find them. I did it wrong. You must have typed. You looked after. Patrick. Oh, Tom. Oh, I searched Fireball. Oh, yeah. The last time the lines closed as big of a favorite, 26 years ago. Microsoft Windows 98. Is that what was out then? Yes. This game is easy. The Lions are in. Do you play? I mean, what do you do? What do you do with Tony Pollard? That's the question. Because Tony Pollard has been good. Okay, let's find some names. This is a very difficult Lions defense. Outside of Ken Bone Walker, no one has scored on the Lions in a long time. They're still second and schedule adjusted with Kinbone on the season. One of the Tampa Bay guys. Rashad White or Bucky Irving? I feel like I'd have to go Pollard there.

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Let's go Alexander Madison. He plays the Chiefs. Pollard. I guess you can start him, but you can't expect big things. Yeah, he's low end running back too. Okay. All right. Anything else from this game you want to discuss? Calvin Ridley, your superstar for the week? He did not practice. He's got a foot injury. Can't hurt you if he's hurt himself. Wednesday can easily be a veteran day of rest, so monitor today's practice report, which we'll talk about tomorrow. All right, we'll take a break and get back into the next matchup. The Arizona Cardinals at three and four take on the two and four Miami Dolphins who have been reborn with a new quarterback, the Drag King Sportsbook line Miami minus three and a half. The over under is 45 and a half. So we get to talk about more exciting things in this matchup than we have in previous Miami weekends.

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Yeah, there is a chance of some thunderstorms here. Little bit rain, little bit wind. Don't tell me that. Yeah, I mean, it's not egregious. It's certainly not something that's going to move lines or make you completely pivot off of players. Obviously, on the Miami side of the ball, I think you want just about everyone in this matchup. The Cardinals are at best. When they're showing their best, they are a middle of the pack defense. Their personnel is bottom five defense. Tua coming back. This is a home game. The excitement, the palpitation. Whoa. That's the bad guy in Star Wars. Senator palpitation. Senator palpitation will be leading. He'll be in the stands. Yes. Thank you, Mike. So I think it's pretty easy on the, like on the dolphin side, the conversation is Rahim Moster, because everyone else is it. Is that? Yeah, Moster's fine to flex this week, I think. And Waddles, he's limited.

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So Waddle's still a risk because he keeps limping off the field. Is it his quad? For now. Okay. Yeah. It's his leggings. Leggings, yeah. Yeah, it's the quad right now. He was limited in practice. He'll probably play. He'll probably limp off a couple times and you hope he catches a big play. Tyreek, though, the receiving prop is at 82 and a half. And like you said, play all the dolphins. It's so nice to see his prop at a serviceable first round fantasy pick value. You would like to look at this game. At least I would. as the potential for a shootout. It's a three and a half point gap. It's a 45.5 point over and under. I'd like to believe that Arizona can keep up in this game. The Dolphins defense has been very good. I think some of that has been a product of, you know, that's all they have had to lean on. They have not been in games where it takes very much to get by them. They have, you know, weren't they the ones that lost to Richardson 1310 or something like?

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There have been these. I don't know if they're as good as they show right now. No, the numbers I think are fraudulent. Last week it was against the Colts. They gave up 16 points and lost. Before the by week, they won holding the New England Patriots to 10 points. So we're talking Brissette. Yes. And we're talking. But before that, it was Anthony Richardson. Before that, Tennessee put up 31. Seattle put up 24. Buffalo put up 31. And Jacksonville managed 17 in week one. Are you doing anything with Marvin Harrison practically right now? No, no. He's, he's a, I am practically adjusting my expectations for him of he's a, he's a wide receiver two type of a play who does have a real ceiling. Is Tray McBride the most disappointing tight in five? I don't think so. I don't think so. He is.

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doing his best rookie or Kyle Pitts where his involvement, utilization, yardage, they're pretty outstanding for the tight-in position. You're just not getting big performances because he doesn't have a receiving touchdown this year. So I think you continue to play McBride with confidence. It's just difficult to know all of the passing metrics against the dolphins. You have to just... Kind of push to the side. They have to reset. We don't know if it is extremely difficult to throw on the dolphins or if the quarterbacks who have faced them as well as the need to throw on them is really what's causing the suffocation of those stats. Jordan Love was on pace for how many touchdowns? 50 something. 51. Kyler's on pace for 21. If you want to answer to the question of why Teram McBride doesn't have any, it's because Kyler doesn't have many.

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James Connor has been the offense. I mean, the offense has been James Connor being James Connor. Very few players have a motor like James Connor. To put up 101 yards last week against the Chargers defense, caught two passes, 51 yards through the receiving game. Didn't score, but still finish top 15. Connor has been so trustworthy. And in that game, you didn't see. Demarcato or Benson getting playing time. This is an awesome matchup for Connor. Everyone's been able to run pretty well against the Dolphins. They might have Jalen Ramsey and some pieces that you worry about in the defense, but not to stuff the run. So Connor is 100% in. And Kyler confidence this week? Kyler is confident in the sense that I don't have a ton of confidence in a lot of quarterbacks this week. So Kyler is my quarterback 11 right now. So he's started, but you're not excited.

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He needs to run the football. Would you play Caleb Williams against Washington? I have Caleb ahead of Kyler. That is my decision this week. What are you leaning right now? I've gone back and forth. I think Caleb's in my lineup right now. I also am the Connor manager, so it would be a bit of a hedge against the Cardinals. What's happened with the Cardinals this year is there have been games where they just. are incompetent on offense. You thought Detroit could be a shootout. They scored 13 points. You thought Washington could be a shootout. They scored 14 points. You thought Green Bay could be a shootout. They scored 13 points. All three of those games had high over and unders that they disappointed on. When they fail, they kind of just fall on their face and look incompetent. So to me, for my team, I'm thinking I want to hedge against that. I think they're going to fail this week. Look, the stat that came out on Monday night football,

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was mind-blowing. Kyla Murray has not won back-to-back games in 25 starts or something like that. It's 22 to 25 starts. When he wins a game, he loses the next week. And he's done that. He won last week. I know. Yeah. So I'm just, it's amplifying your point. The Cardinals implied team total is 21 points. I don't think they hit that. So would you play Tank Dell or Marvin Harrison? Tank Dell. Whoa. Mike? I'm on the Harrison side. I'd go Marv. But I don't like the Stroud week this week. They're, I mean, they're both in a similar tier to me of that low-end wide receiver two, but Marv can go out. Marv can be the number one wide receiver on a week. Yeah, I've got Marv as my wide receiver 25 tank as my wide receiver 21. The Jets are two and five to take on the one in six New England Patriots who have lost six straight games. And they look real bad. Drafking Sportsbook line.

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Jets minus seven on the road. The two and five jets are seven point road favorites. The overrunners 41. The jets last year under Zach Wilson were four and three at this juncture of the season. I don't care. They're two and five under Aaron Rogers this year. Aaron Rogers is dealing with head, shoulders, knees, and toes. He's dealing with being old. Yeah. I mean, it's the same stuff we feel, guys. Yeah. Romandre still didn't practice on Wednesday. It's listed as foot slash personal. My feed are personal to me. Gibson has been awful. I have no confidence in Gibson, even in the solo role personally. Hunter Henry is more involved with Drake May. I don't, this game is not exciting to me. I'm not, what if they lost? Just think about it. What if the Jets lost this game? I could see that as a possible outcome. Obviously, they're heavy favorites here on the road. The New York Jets are, but I mean.

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The Patriots at home to a reeling Jets who are not winning games and find ways to lose every week. You've seen crazier things happen. And if they lose this week, season's over for the Jets. But it's okay. I heard. So Aaron Rogers came out and said that after that loss, Devante Adams gave the best locker room speech he's ever heard. So I think they're going to be okay. Okay. Adams has been quite comedic since coming over because he's had multiple speeches to the media. talking about the things that this team has done wrong all year long after one week of being with the team, which I find to be very interesting. It kind of feels dysfunctional over there. Adams, he's in your lineup. Garrett Wilson. He's in the lineup. Brees Hall. Yep. Great matchup. Aaron Rogers. Where's his flexibility? Where's his spot start? Yeah, or even, you know, I could see him being a lot. Like Sam Darnold tonight? I would play Darnold. I would play Darnold easily.

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Rodgers. Brock Purdy with all the injuries at wide receiver or Aaron Rogers? Brock Purdy. That's a heavy favorite. Let me ask you, I've got three names for you. I mean, Rogers has not been that bad for fantasy. So would you play Rogers here? He's been pretty bad. Yeah, he's been pretty bad. Mike was just looking at me waiting for me to correct myself. I would play Bo Nix against Carolina over Aaron Rogers. The two names that I'm not sure about, Anthony Richardson and Russell Wilson. So that's the tier Anthony Richardson, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers. I think I would start Anthony Richardson in the dome against the Texans where he already had a big monstrous game week one. You would take Richardson, you said? I would take the upside potential. Both these guys, I think, have the potential to go out there and dud. But I don't know if Aaron Rogers has the chance to go out and do a 30-point game. I don't know if he can dud in this game against New England. I really don't. I think here's how you dud. Most teams have run like.

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