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Week 12 Waivers + Old Man Strength, Difference Makers - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/19

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Week 12 Waivers + Old Man Strength, Difference Makers | Fantasy Football 2024 - Ep. 1680

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Papa Josh receives the toilet trophy

A miniature toilet trophy is placed in Deucer's Alley for Papa Josh because he most recently left show production to poop.

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The show admits its nickname language is incomprehensible

After calling Chargers players Big Erb, Ladidi McConkey, and Q, the hosts count even more aliases and concede that only listeners who have stayed with them know who anyone is.

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The show claims it doubled NFL revenue

A graph showing NFL revenue rising near the podcast's launch prompts the hosts to treat correlation as causation and congratulate themselves for doubling the league's billions.

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Al answers the question instead of serving the setup

When a host asks Al for a forgotten player name, Al provides sincere help, then apologizes because he did not know the question was setting up a joke.

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The Megalodon is announced as a supersized episode

The hosts close by teasing the following Wednesday's Megalodon as a supersized podcast with giveaways leading into Thanksgiving weekend.

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Episode notes

The episode opens on a new staff punishment object: Papa Josh is the reigning holder of a toilet trophy because he left the show to use the bathroom, and the stated rule awards it to whoever most recently reneges on production duties through poor bowel planning. Elsewhere, the hosts acknowledge that their nested player nicknames have become nearly unintelligible even as loyal listeners follow along, joke that the show's launch caused NFL revenue to explode, imagine Jason throwing a ceremonial baseball pitch as a three-step-drop moonball, and tease the coming supersized Megalodon episode.

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He was up. If you look at his snaps, they're not a ton, but a snap percentage since the by week. He was at 9%, 5%, 15%, 17, 26%. He's getting more and more involved. And that is coinciding with Rahim Moster looking done and being underutilized and just kind of going away. Like toast. If you remember the beginning half of A. Chan's rookie season, he was not very involved as well. They brought him along a little bit slower. And so A-chan being a smaller back, being someone that they have, they run a lot of two-back systems and move A-chan into the slot, I think Jalen Wright could end the year in one of those, like, you could put them in your lineup as a flex option. Do you drop Mostert 4-Right? Yeah, I would absolutely rather have right. Yeah, I would do that. One, another running back name we don't know because it's just, the situation is so up in the air. But for the Vegas Raiders, Alexander Madison.

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And the name is escaping me. It's Amir White. They both got hurt in that game. So Amir Abdullah. And Laobie. And Dylan Laubi, who was inactive that week. But, like, if one of those guys that's hurt, Amir Abdullah will see a little bit more work, especially, I mean, he's been a receiving back for them in the past. And then if they're both hurt, Amir Abdullah could be like a... like an actual starting running back to fantasy. It's really important to bring that up. This was an ankle injury to Alexander Madison, and he was unable to return to the game. It's very common for ankle injuries to be like, even when you can return to the game, it gets worse after the game and you're not able to go. This could be a multi-week absence, and so if that's the case, Alexander Madison, or I'm sorry, Amir Abdullah is...

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You know, he's involved in the passing game. You could end up with four or five receptions. This is a terrible matchup this week. But he is the guy probably to pick on volume. I'll bet he's even on dynasty waivers. What's for me? Leave him there. What's Samir White should be the headline that. But White got hurt. Right. But like if he's not. Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying don't miss the fact that it goes Madison, then Zemir White, then Amir Abdullah. Zuma White's only 24% rostered. 100%. And if his injury is minor. Do we have an update on that? I do not, I don't see any injury update at all. It was a quad injury. We'll see if we can find anything. So just keep that in mind that like we, I don't want to go out and spin on Abdullah and Zemir sitting there. At wide receiver, the heavily rostered check just in case, guys, it's going to be Quentin Johnston. We just talked about indifference makers.

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It's going to be Jerry Judy, who had a big time week. The Sleeper, every Tuesday on Sleeper, they do the report. And like in so many of my leagues, the bench warmer of the week was Jerry Judy. Yeah. Because people just didn't play him. And then the bigger name at 50% roster to bring up, you know, chasing his high performance games have never been a great prescription. but he did set a, I'm going to give him credit for setting his career high in yardage, Christian Watson. Yeah. Of the Green Bay Packers. If you see, Don Tavia Wicks had zero catches, not involved. And Watson was four for 150 and had all four of his like catches were like bombs to the two to 15 yard line. They just, he couldn't get into the end zone. If he did, he would be the headline of the week. I just don't want him to get.

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Lost, even though he can disappear. Absolutely not. The past three weeks, the Watson season has been very strange, but three weeks in a row, 22%, 19%, 24% target share here. And these are like, so that's, that's not like elite or anything. But if you're telling me, I'm getting a 20% target share from Jordan Love. And these are more often than not high value targets because they're going down the field. He. He's back to being an interesting play. Remember, or if you were not listening for the playoff primer, the Green Bay Packers passing game down the stretch is, and in the fantasy playoffs, is one of those league winning matchups. Seattle, Saints, Minnesota. If you're telling me that I get a 208-pound guy running 436 for Jordan Love with great schedule down the stretch, that's someone that really can.

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win you weeks. Obviously, it's a little bit risky. He's boom, bust, but we, you know, we've seen that in a stretch before where I think he had a, a month long stretch where he was like the wide receiver one in fantasy, which is what he's been living off since then. One name I want to bring up that I didn't see us talk, we didn't talk about it, but Curtis Samuel for the Buffalo Bills was very involved this past week. He looked really good to me. He finally looked healthy. This is a team where they're not getting the ball to Amari Cooper a ton. Cana Coleman's been hurt. He was on the field, had six targets, five for 58, had a touchdown. Don't forget that he exists in this offense. I'm not saying he's a flex-worthy. Not this week. Yeah, it's tougher because they're going on to the buy week. Correct. So then that's just a whole other week for Coleman and Cooper to get healthy. He should be on your.

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radar. Like if you're in a deeper league, I don't mind that going. Just survey whether Dalton Kincaid comes back, whether Keon Coleman comes back, because if neither of those guys are there, just worth knowing. But yes, going into the bye week. Another couple names to bring up. I think that the Carolina situation, you could call your shot on whether it's Adam Thielen because just the PPR machine that he was to start last year. He's, you know, he should be healthy now. They're coming off there by. And Deontay Johnson's not there anymore. So we saw this team with Adam Thielen being the one and it was really valuable for fantasy. They didn't have Xavier Liget though. And so you could take the shot there. I actually looking further, I would rather have Liget than Thielen, but I think you could take a shot. I would too. Thielen, Thielen dropped off the face of the planet last year from weeks, basically the buy week on. He was irrelevant. So yeah, and that was with no Deontay Johnson. He was tired.

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You're saying he rested by being hurt. He's got fresh legs for the second half, guys. Yeah, the final 11 games last year was it wasn't great, no touchdowns, four catches, but worth knowing that one of these guys is going to have the opportunity to be more of a PPR monster. Yeah, two more names that I think are good, Wondell Robinson, probably rostered. And obviously you're going to Tommy Cutlets here at quarterback, but Tommy Cutlets, he started a, a bunch of games last year. I believe Wondale had an 18% target share. So he's utilized during that time and the matchup is great against Tampa Bay. On the other side of the ball on the same matchup, Jalen McMillan coming off of the injury. Chris Godwin obviously not going to return this year coming off the buy. I think he is, he's widely available. And I know he had a very, very bad performance. But to me, he's a.

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pretty valuable the way Baker's been playing and the need that they have for him as a rookie wide receiver. I would certainly pick up McMillard. I was trying to remember the name of the other Carolina whiteout. Al, what's his name? Oh, sorry. I didn't know you were setting a thing up, man. I was trying to help my podcast host here get a name. I was just setting him a lucky guy. The sheer disrespect. from Jason Moore in this podcast of saying Wondale Robinson's name before Elijah Moore, get it out of here. Elijah Moore would be, I would pick him up every single time over Wondale Robinson. I agree with that. That wasn't me saying I would take him over. Elijah Moore is, he's 19% rostered. He is of a guy who is widely available.

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He is at near the top of my list. If you didn't listen yesterday, James Winston is on pace for 70,000 passing attempts. This is going to be so fascinating. The month long stretch is the worst for quarterbacks and wide receivers. Schedule adjusted. It is the worst for the Browns for the next month. It is as bad as it can possibly get, but I don't know if that matters. I genuinely am like, okay, all of these are the worst. for quarterbacks or wide receivers to play against, which means those quarterbacks, those defenses are going to pick six James to start every game. And that's great because James don't care and he will just keep slinging it. So I'm, this is like one of those, you know, between a rock and a hard place. Like, or, you know, which, which thing is going to break is the unstoppable force. Yes, that's what I'm looking at. Well, we know, we know James will lose. Yes. So there is the slight fear that they make a quarterback change at some point because that happened, you know, we all hope for Flacco to provide.

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the Winston-like volume. Here's the headline to me is that if you're going to take a spot start opportunity, do it in an offense that's throwing the football and an opportunity to luck into those targets. Tillman, Judy, and Elijah Moore, two-thirds of those guys probably on a weekly basis will do enough to make you happy. Right. And don't go with a low-passing volume option. Like you saw. Jason, you had expectations for Jacoby Myers. He may have some games, but it's also frustrating, right? Because his Gardner Minsu slash Ritter at some point this season, just play the odds for those spot starts the best you can with higher volume situations. That's why I like McMillan a lot, because Baker's been on fire. They're throwing the ball a lot. The schedule coming out of the buy is the Giants Carolina, Raiders, Dallas Carolina. It's like,

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Yes, please. These top three drop candidates being brought up, and don't forget to see the entire wide receiver list. MvS would be another dart throw, but he's going into the buy. And then credit to Westbrook Aquina, he's out there every week for Tennessee. Devon Vele for Bo Nix and Company had a nice four for 66. But these top three drop candidates, I'm dropping all of them, Waddle, Deontay Pittman. I think you're probably fine dropping them, yeah. And then Ricky Pearsall, Tank, Delaware, the other two mentions. No, I would not. I would drop Pierce all over Dell. Dell, I wouldn't drop. Man. But, you know, again, your lower tier, take Dell in the season right now, wide receiver 43. It's got three games. Feels like 143. Three games over the 10-point Jason Moore line. It is definitely his fault, too.

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Yeah, no. It's worth saying. I mean, we excused a lot of it early in the season. Wait, did you think I meant Jason? No, no. It's just so fun. We don't phrase things like it's usually like, okay, here's what happened. Yeah, yeah. Calvary really had a 51 yard touchdown. It was called back. You're like out of yet. No, you're like. It is definitely a Tankdale problem. He's not playing that well. Too many games with too many important drops or miscues. To start the season, it was like, oh, man, you would have been happy if you just got that touchdown. But at some point, at some point, it's on the player. Tankdown out well. You got to do it, man. You got to do better. Yeah, and it happened last night. There were some good plays, and then there were plays. He did make the tough catch. And that's been frustrating. And the difference, I mean.

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I'll take, I'll take this as, you know, Mike brought up Nico in the offseason as the preeminent receiver in that room. We love Tankdale. Diggs was arriving. Nico's there. Looked messy, not messy, and not messy on film. Nico Collins on film, next level. Just like, I mean, he really looks like in that category with CD Lamb and those special players, Mike Evans, he looks. completely like he outmatches the defense where Tankdale looks like, things have to go a little more right for Tankdown. A CD Lamb and AJ Brown type of human that's just like, you know, if I got to, you know, I'm overweight, I'm old, but I promise you if I got to go play football with middle schoolers, I'm going to school. What are they going to do against me? Nothing. And that's how it feels with some of those guys in the NFL that are just,

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They're just bigger and better than you as a human. Yeah, he's humongous. Okay, let's try to control the tight end reactions, okay? Because the weeks that we got from Johnny Smith and Tassum Hill are, we're outrageous. Johnny Smith started the week on this show. Thankful for that because hopefully it helps some people. Six for 101 and 2. Integral to the offense, even with the Ghost of Waddle and Tyreek Hill there. And then the bigger question, Taysom Hill, because when you look at Taysam Hills, the totality of his performance, I know he's going into the buy, Tint Hargets, so he caught eight passes for 50 yards. Then he ran it seven times for 138 yards and three touchdowns. Then he threw it one time, right, and had a passing touchdown. So, you know, what is the, what is the proper reaction on Tastom Hill? Because.

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There's no Olave. There's no Rashid Shahid. It doesn't seem like any of these tight-ins. You know, Joanne Johnson or Monroe can make a difference. Camara can only do, like, is this the taste, we're going to ride Tayson Hill to victory or die trying? And how much fab does that equate to? Is this an all-in type of thing? If I don't have a stable tight end, I'm going to go, I'm going to push my chips. As far in as I can. What's a stable? Is Ingram a stable titan? No. Is Kate Otten a stable tit? Yes. That's the line right there. If you had Ferguson and he's... Kyle Pitts. I think he's... I mean, this has been real bad. I feel like if I have Pitts, I don't...

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have to go all in. I'm not saying that I wouldn't take a shot at Taysam or rather have Taysam. What are Pitt's recent scores? His last three weeks, one catch for nine yards, four for 55, one for what? 55. After his little breakout performance, he's been two weeks with one catch. The last month for Taysam, five points, 14, six, and then the huge, 37 and a half. And it's, you know, the way that I'm seeing beat reporters talk of new head coach, the Rizzler, his love. We had talked about that. I'm like, okay, well, Dennis Allen is out. Does this coaching, the news regime, do they love Tayson Hill just as much as Peyton? More. And the answer is possibly more. So more rushing attempts? And it's not just the love of the player. It's, they have.

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No, they don't have bodies left. Like the guys that they're going to roll out there at the wide receiver position. And it's working. You will have never heard of. They're winning with it. Yeah. And I want to give even more credit to Tason because, you know, in week four, he was the, he was the tight end one, got injured and was gone, came back to a bad game. Then he was the tight end five with a monster performance. Then you look at his box score and you say it was a down week, you know, tight in 16. He had six fantasy points in that game.

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He had a 70-something yard reception for a touchdown that was so weak, just the weakest, most unaffecting holding call called back. And then the next week another one, like he is on fire right now. That's why I want to know if he could be a league winner. He could be a league winner. But it's tough because he's going on to buy. So right now, while people are. Yeah, they're desperate already. Desperate for a start right now to go all in on someone that can't help you this week and you still got to find someone else in roster. a bi-week player. It's hard, so there's a lot of context needed, but I do think TASM could be a true separator at the position to bring people a champion. He's going to run. He's going to receive, and he's going to throw probably on a weekly basis, which is unique. Hunter Henry has run the most routes among all tight ends this year. He's so fit. Six for 63 this last week. He is a stabilizer for the position. The schoon man.

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Why would we bring up Luke Schoonmaker? Because Jake Ferguson might not be back with the concussion. And Schoon Man had 10 targets on 55 pass attempts from Cooper Rush. Are we going again? That one already got one. So we're okay. Yeah, I mean. Zach hurts will disley. Zach hurts for I think he's been on this show every single week. Like the reason, part of the reason of like Tayson Hill. I think you can go all in despite him being out is these other names. Like Schoonmaker, Will Disley against the Baltimore Ravens? Yeah. Absolutely. Like there are, there's options that I think you can get for very, very cheap while you're overpaying for a player who's not going to play for you this week. But that's how I would handle it. Do you think that our league would let me, due to bi-week problems, play Will Disley as a running back?

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No, but Taysam, you've got an argument. So no Dizzler? No, no, no Dizzler at running back. If you've got the, if you've got the roster spots to do it, you might be able to pick up like Taysam Hill and Schoon Man together. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I would, because Schoon Man's available, won't cost you hardly anything. You can put most of your money on Taysam Hill, get a spot start from Luke's Schoonmaker, and then cut him. Also, Theo Johnson, Jatavian Sanders, two rookie tight ends looking better for New York and Carolina. They're okay. And Cole Commet, I mentioned it. He ran 95% of routes in the first new offensive coordinator with Caleb Williams looking better. So he's worth monitoring right at the camera. Yeah, could you give me the camera for two seconds? Yeah. It's about time. Why won't they use Col Commet? Colquette because of Shane Waldron. Yeah, Shane Waldron.

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is not. Shane Waldron was like, Shane Walden's a great guy. Okay. That's what we hear. That's what I understand about Shane Waldron is really nice guy. Waldron's down a well. Shane Waldron. You bricked the bank shot. Yeah. Shane, Shane. You made it, but it was not a switch. I didn't call bank either. The season started and it was like Gerald Everett's my dude. I'm putting him on the field over Cole Commet. I know we gave him that extension, but we're going with. with Gerald Everett. He knows the system. And then you're like, this is, this is not working. Well, fine. We'll put Colquemette out there, but I'm not going to draw targets up for him. And now Waldron's gone. Oh, look. Colquette, pretty good player. You know, the best coaches are the ones that play the best players. I know I would. You know? And then build the offense targeting the best players. And you look like a genius then. So, um,

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defenses guys but drop candidates that tied in is Tucker craft is it over because it seems like it's over I'm still look I'm the goose that felt really really bad but wasn't just that was it yeah what do you mean uh the week before four for 34 I guess it because it feels like a long time since he was great because he had an underwhelming game then he had a buy week and then he had a goose he uh I mean the the run was what five touchdowns in four weeks Or, no, five in five weeks, I'm sorry. But it, the offense that he's, he's not a high volume guy, but of the tight ends where you're hoping for a touchdown. He's just, he's higher on the probability scale. All right. Well, take a quick break and talk about some defensive options as we move towards the playoffs. All right. Give me some names that you like at tight end or, sorry, at defense this week. Yeah, I mean, there's, there's a handful this week. A lot of great options. You've got the commanders taking on Cooper Rush.

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Their defense has looked much better. They're coming off a buy. I like the Buccaneers. Yes. This week, widely available against the Giants. And following that is Carolina. We like the Bucks because they're playing Tommy Cuddlets. Yes, Tommy Cudlittles. Tommy Cuts. Five sacks per game is the average when he started. Yeah, and then Carolina the next week, the Raiders the next week. The Buccaneers, they don't have a great secondary. You can throw on them, but if you're playing against quarterbacks that will turn the ball over, you have touchdown opportunities, you have sacks, you have the things that score fantasy points. So they're one of my favorite pickups. Also, the Broncos. The Broncos are available in half the leagues. Their defense is elite, and they're playing the Raiders. Yeah, for sure. I also think Arizona, you need to look at Arizona now and on into the...

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fantasy playoffs because even in bad matchups, they've performed well in terms of the counting stats on the defensive side. And their performances lately, Chicago, New York were top five. And they're getting their first round. Yeah, tackle, DT, baby. Yeah. Have they? Darius. Have they had them at all this year? No. This will be the first. His next game will be his first game. First rounder, Darius Robinson, interior linemen, shut down the run even more. The Cardinals have. You know, they got Seattle a couple times. They got New England. They got Carolina. Yeah, it's a pretty easy schedule rest of the way. It's not too bad. We're going to talk some quarterbacks here in a minute. Today's waiver wire was brought to you by NFL Sunday ticket on YouTube TV. Racing to the playoffs. And right now you can get NFL Sunday ticket for the rest of the NFL season for just $89.89. Sign up now at YouTube.com slash fantasy footballers offer in December 2nd. Terms and embargoes apply. No cancellations.

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Full stream ahead. I'll kick us off here because I love it and I think he's the stream of the week. Now, I like Andy's better, but it's very, this is a very difficult week for just streaming quarterbacks in general. Because of the teams that are on by and the way that the matchups have laid out, these like. Tommy DeVito is about the only widely available quarterback that you could pick up and play. I'm not doing that. So, I mean, we're looking at guys who are available in about half of leagues. Yeah. And for me, it's Bo Nix time. Bo Nix. Bo Nix is going to, uh, his roster percentage says you could probably stream, but this dude's not a streamer anymore. Yeah, no, he's just a starter. I mean, you're, you're talking about a quarterback who's top 12.

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in five of his last seven games. He's the quarterback nine already against the Raiders in week five with three total touchdowns. Denver steamrolled them 34 to 18. I expect them to steamroll them again. Since week three, the Raiders ranked 28th and scheduled adjusted fantasy points to quarterbacks. And one of the things I really like about Bo Nix, we've brought up his rushing floor. That's great. but it's the lack of rushing success as a team that I also really, really love. You know, some of these quarterbacks when you go out and you make the start, you go, well, Jared Gough could be awesome. But if all the, you know, Kirk Couss could be awesome. But if the touchdowns just go through the ground, you know, they have three rushing touchdowns. Like under the ground. If they got all rushing touchdowns, then you just end up with a bad performance. And it's like, you think Javante Williams going to in the game with three rushing touchdowns? I don't.

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Yeah, it's, you know, Bo Nix for sure, Las Vegas. I'm going with, if Justin Herbert's out there and you need a victory, you better spin up on the fab and make sure you get him, brought him up in difference makers, plays Baltimore, the Harbowl, 50 point over under. Mike, you've got Russell? Yeah. Like I said, it is really tough to find a streaming. Unlimited. It was unlimited diarrhea this past week. Honestly, here's the options. It's like, do you trust in what Anthony Richardson had just, just did last week? Against Detroit. He plays the Lions now. Gino Smith, Arizona, I get it. I still think of Arizona as a bad team and then, oh, well, actually, no, they're not. Their defense has been playing quite well. Stafford has been absolutely back on a full heater where Kyron Williams is not scoring any touchdowns. It's all Matthew Stafford in the passing attack. He plays the Philadelphia Eagles.

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I'm taking Russ, despite the big letdown. He plays against the Cleveland Browns. And the reason I'm trusting in that is Pittsburgh's offenses had been playing really, really well until that one game. And the Browns just got annihilated by the Saints who have nobody, nobody. MVS scored another long touchdown on this team. Yeah, you'd love to be able to say James, but he has to play Thursday against a team that just... made Lamar Jackson look pretty bad and score sub 20 points. It's a very tough week if you don't have a locked in starter. So those are some names. And again, you can see our entire waiver list, every position, custom for your league, your scoring system. And you can check that out at join the foot.com. We're going to wrap it up. By the way, we're like one week and a day from the, yeah. Oh, yeah.

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The Megalodon episode. Next Wednesday, the Megalodon episode, we'll have a supersized episode of this podcast heading into Thanksgiving weekend. And we'll also have some giveaways. Some fun stuff we'll be doing for the Megalodon. Next Wednesday. Here, here. So we'll be back tomorrow with, what do we got? We got Hungry for More. We got the TNF preview. Some mailbag tomorrow. We'll get into starts of the week. Matchups, Wheel of Shame. And whatever else happens in the National Football League. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for subscribing to the podcast. It helps us out a lot. We'll catch you tomorrow. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on join thefoot.com. And follow us on Twitter at the FF ballers.